Have to agree, 4k+ is a different dynamic to the 'standard' tournament game, I can barely squeeze a demonstrably non-rubbish strike cruiser in for my marines at 3k, but it's the first thing I pick at 4k and above

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you guys honestly might be right about that. assuming equal map sizes, the more dudes on the table the more efficient warships will be considering their chances to hit things increase, as well as the average damage they'll inflict with the massive templates. food for thought.

re: Kommandos,

I may have this wrong because I am only just becoming comfortable with the rules but,

Depending on the Army I am playing against, I will add them to the formation I transport in a Landa. I find that most of my opponents formations have a decent FF ability (better than mine at least). As a result, I use the Kommandos to force those targets to use their CC stat as opposed to their FF stat. I think (don't quote me) this also means that during hit allocation, you can force more saving throws against say, the Hydra in the middle of that Artillery Company and increase the chances of it being destroyed in the assault.

The ability to ignore ZoC and double charge distance from the Landa to a unit at the back of the formation does have its advantages. 4+ CC stats for the win!

I dont think kommandos are allowed to double their charge move as they arent charging but disembarking from the aircraft, the air assault section refers only to formations with jump packs having special rules, all other units disembark 5cm

I'm not sure this has been errata/FAQ'd however, I'm just going on the rulebook text

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I interpretted this wording



Focusing on the term "charging" to imply that they are in fact charging, thereby the following Infiltrator rule to apply.



There are Q&A to cover infiltrator for counter charges but haven't found anything for charging from an aircraft or the hit allocation at the moment.

More FAQ homework...

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Kommandos are really useless at the moment. The Ork list is overall balanced, but I'd like to see the internal balance fixed so that some never used options are more viable. Further reduced spacecraft cost and a formation of Kommandos, like Epic-UK created for their Ork list would be a good idea (though 125 points would be a better cost, 150 is too high).

The rules seem clear to me. The wording gives them an exception to the normal rules allowing them to enter zone of control as though they are charging. They are not actually charging though and they don't get to use infiltrator. If infiltrators did it would make SM Scouts much too good.

I disagree with your interpretation, "as if they are charging" is the text, you don't disembark from a vehicle and stroll into close combat.

I will use a 10cm ignore ZoC charge move from a Landa. Your use of the term "though" vs "they" doesn't shore up the room for different interpretations.

I would have to agree with Glyn on this one. In any case, they aren't making a charge move, they are disembarking with the additional bonus of being allowed to enter ZOC so I don't see how infiltrator applies. They are allowed to double their speed, which is a stat, which isn't used in this case. It isn't the same as being able to double their allowed movement.

Yup, Glyn is right.
I'll see about adding an FAQ to the Infiltrator section to clear up any misunderstanding.

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the rules mention charging to save repeating rules on zones of control, as charging is normally the only time you are permitted to enter the ZoC of an enemy unit, air assault is an exception to this.

This is not a charge, the aircraft is actually making the attack and essentially using the troops as a weapon, the troops are not charging, the aircraft itself is making the attack.

This is why you are allowed to air assault twice on a retain (thrice if you're eldar) as the aircraft is activating, not the troops within. The rules say aircraft disembark all troops within 5cm, unless they have jump packs, which specifically have a written exception, it is not a charge move, so infantry are not permitted to use infiltrate to double charge or ignore ZoC.

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Nicely put mate!

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Well said Kyuss! That's rabbinic level debate there, mate

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I have a strategy thread I posted way back that talks about different possible formations and overall army composition. While I agree with a few of your points, I don't think all of them are accurate.


I'll give you this one. Basically, due to the list structure in Ghazghkul's, there's not a good way to optimize their use. On rare occasions, I'll see someone take one or two as token units for the Scout ZoC, usually in a Landa.


This I just flat out disagree with. In a Stompa Mob, these provide the bulk. Stompas are expensive to take in the numbers for Mob Up unless you have a high point game and they are easy to suppress and break without it.

And I would suggest trying a Walker Mob - Warband + Dreads. They are slow enough to garrison, are walkers so you can use terrain and AVs provide portable cover for the infantry if you have to get into the open.

There are so many things Orks can do against IG artillery besides planetfall. "Why not surround it with Hydras" would be because it's darn expensive. 2 batteries and a Hydra formation is 650 points. It should be nasty. It costs as much as a Gargant. But it should also be worth sending a lot of points against it and you should expect to lose a lot on the way. The more he spends on screening and AA, the more you can spend to break it.

9FB formations can charge through lots of flak and still pound something.
Zzap brigades reach out and touch things (60cm move, 60cm range), especially 3-unit IG formations that break on one kill.
KoS will crush forward screens and on the second turn are a real threat to any deployment zone formations, i.e. a big distraction.
Stormboyz can garrison, move 60cm and play ZoC games against arty and non-scout screens.
Gargants are good against barrages (WE, 4+RA) and if he plays a castle style setup, MW barrages will bring the funk.