And parallels the Eldar Avatar to a large degree as well. The new-look c'tan are one of the few ret cons I like actually.

Yeah, I got that. But what happened to the Deceiver? The Nightbringer? The Outsider? The Dragon? Where did they go? Did they even exist? Did they get cut into shards or are they still on the loose? You see what I mean? It's a lot of loose ends and they could have (should have) done a story to bridge between the two concepts. They screwed up IMO.

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Yeah, they existed. :-)


They got cut up into shards. Some of them are still on the loose doing things, and some of them are captive of the various Necron empires. Presumably it was a Shard of the Deceiver that did all the stuff in Epic Raiders. :-p

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Meh, I'll look at it one day and re-evaluate it. I'm still leaning toward Highlander 2 status though.

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Of course they screwed up, GWS always do with things like this. They're constantly changing their own backstory whilst never really acknowledging it, leading to loads of problems and inconsistencies.

In this instance, they've tried to give the actual necrosis more personality, which has meant that the C'tan have had to drop in importance. They've done it in a real ham fisted way though, and in doing so, hav lost a lot of what was cool and unique about the Necrons in the process. Now they're just yet another alien race who have a generic beef with everyone else.

So, what, Necrons are now from Zeist?


It all makes sense.

my necrorks hardly use normal necron fluff anyway, but this new storyline is Buuuuuuuuull$#*^!
making stories crapper doesnt just impact on the people who stick to the strict conventions of that particular codex. it degrades the fabric of the entire setting.
matt ward should be shot. maybe just in the hand, but he should definitely not be in a state to ever write anything ever again.

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ok, I'm sure you may have noticed some of my posts about not liking the range of new necrons, that hasnt changed, but in thinking about some of the new... stuff, I think it will lead to a very different type of EPIC necron list, and well, Im VERY happy about that. Cant wait till I can get my hand on to the rules to convert them into the proper scale that is Epic. The basic warrior stat change already mean that they are no longer just marines without missiles. 5+ Save maybe?(for epic).

Ya fluff , story line, all that BS that is from "He that shall not be named" can be removed from the codex and take a trip to the office paper shredder.

Guys, this isn't even (necessarily) incompatible with previous fluff. Some Necrons were completely and totally mindless and dedicated to the C'Tan. Turns out there were others we didn't know about. Big deal.

Some aspects of it could be very crappy (if past codices are any indication, many will be), but this is hardly the end of the world.

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ok. so what you're saying is that if next edition it turns out that the emperor isnt dead, isnt in the golden throne, and is actually hanging out in the eye of terror, so the new Codex: Space Marines has daemons and it turns out that mephiston and marneus calgar are actually dead, and what we've been playing with all these years is actually just the psychic imprint of their personalities created by the eldar to mess with us, and that while the ultramarines and everyone else still exist, they're just now the minority and are Wrong.
thats not a big deal?

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I don't think that's what he said. I'm frustrated about the massive about-face too. Is it neccessarily incompatible with previous editions? We'll see. It'll have to be a good yarn to make me satisfied, but I'm holding out hope it might actually make some sort of sense. (Not a lot though)

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Things are different, yes. But what's changed?

The reasons why the Necrons got involved with the C'Tan have changed (slightly, IMO. They've gone from hating the Old Ones and declaring war to declaring war to stave off the destruction of their empire. And the two aren't incompatible). Their relationship with the C'Tan has definitely changed, admittedly (though, again, there is still room for the previous state of events - I doubt all the Necrons turned on the C'Tan, and I suspect some may want to bring them back). A few more high-level Necrons than before have personality.

The C'Tan relationship thing could be very big, yes, but it could also amount to almost nothing. The other stuff is just slight variations on what came before, and could amount to nothing if handled right.

The new fluff does not necessarily change the old that much. Where it does, much as it pains me, it's probably for the best (they work better as an actual faction now, at any rate).

If this has problems, it'll be because of the execution, not the concepts.

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The expansion of the Necrons with personalities, a la the Flayer and Destroyer cults, is what disturbs me most, aside from the whole C'tan exploding into bits thing.

The idea that even basic warriors have true personalities to the point they would want to become flesh and blood, or want to become closer to the machine is really antithetical to the space undead idea. It's as if zombies were depicted to have romances and families, instead of just shambling forward with the battlecry of "BRAAAAAINS!".

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I took about a 15 year hiatus from gaming, until starting up last fall, and I had (have) a hard time getting my mind around Tau and Necrons. From my 'throw back' perspective Tau are Eldar that aren't elves and Necrons are Tyranids that are robots. I have some acceptance of them, but tend to dismiss them from my view of the 'Imperium'.

The Necron rumors, if true, fill out the Necron fluff a little and make them a little less like Tyranids and more like a ancient race of (somewhat) sentient beings. The older fluff seems to be worked in, still allowing for the mindless evil Necron. While the new fluff allows for diverse factions of Necrons with different traits and gaming styles (which I could see bringing about some interesting possibilities) so really whats all the angst about?

I understand everything GW does needs to be mandatorily flogged because GW is great to hate (hate and love are close right?) but if all GW would have done is released some floating obelisk and a sphinx land hulk with everything else just recycled models cast in resin I'm sure the howling would be universal rather than primarily confined to the old schools.

Things that aren't dead grow and change, including people and storylines. Sometimes what we hold dear due to nostaliga the younger generation thinks is stale and lame. They enjoy having stuff they can call their own, sometimes I think most of us forget we were young once to and wanted stuff to call our own.

By still allowing the old fluff to have some validity while introducing new aspects I think GW did an admirable job in attempting to grow the Necrons as a 40k faction.

My biggest fear is that the old fluff, which I thought was really good, will be directly contradicted. But then I guess I can just stick my head in the sand, it's not like I have to play against them.

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