I see no batreps to demonstrate this demolition.


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I intend to get in some BL batreps soon, I promise, I've had a busy time since new year!

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Hena, are you saying that a mono faction LaTD army is unplayable? If so the list has problems that need addressing then.

Orks have 3+ init for everything except two orders... and yet I still manage to march and sustain fire and marshal at times.

Cultists don't suffer the penalty if there's no hated enemies around, so mix in some Undivided, or clump formations of the same Faction together... there *are* ways to mitigate it, it's not an insurmountable problem.

People *have* played with mixed Factions using the old hatreds and been effective, you just have to play your unruly mob of insane cultists a little more carefully... which, in my mind, is a *good* thing... it prevents cherry-picking the best combos for each Faction, which has always seemed "gamey" to me.

Again, I would support lowering the range of effect to 15cm/support range... that's when you could really hear the jeering of those Slaanishi sarcasm experts... and the stench of those Nurgle flatulence afficianados...  which is enough to disrupt even the most hard core Khornate zealots.  And Tzeentch... well, he is the God of Change!  

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Except that that stats from major tournaments show that in it's "finished" state it isn't balanced at all, it was a majorly skewed win record.

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The Epic Uk site has stats for 22 LaTD games, with stats of 50% Win/18% Loss /32% Draw.

Last time I updated my stats spreadsheet it was showing even more skewed stats that that, though I need to redo it since it was lost on an old PC.

I see nothing indicating it's a finished, balanced list.



22 games, not 11, it's 11 wins.

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[tongue in cheek]

If your checking race stats on Epic UK championship site I'd remove my results from them first to get a better representation of how any army list is doing, because I'm      

[/tongue in cheek]

more seriously,
The LatD will be much harder to use with the new faction rule but they can still work as a multi faction force.

I've found in a few home test games that I can just keep factions far enough apart and still make engage actions without penalties and still have the support (though it is going to be tougher to try to set up when facing real opponents).

I would like to try Chroma's idea of, 15cm hated faction range, if the new version is found to be overly harsh.

I would like to see stalkers available to Bl armoured comp.

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I seem to have misplaced the notes for this    so a summary of the game

- against Dptdexys SM
2 warhounds (indvidual)
devs
tacs+chaplain
tacs+SC+hunter
tbolts
scouts
speeders
thawk
thawk
terminators+librarian

Dave first shot away the rhinos from the retinue, and air assaulted one of the ferals which severely restricted my movement. With so many SHTs and retinues I found it extremely difficult to threaten his side of the board.
The marines could basically move around me and prevent me setting up the engagements I wanted to or to  use the decimators firepower.

In the end it was 2-0 to the SM - defend the flag&take+hold

I will try a WE heavy army again but with it maxed-out it doesn't seem that effective.
Spending all those points on WE meant I didn't have sufficient AA, scouts or speed.

The ferals were largely ineffective - 1 killed 2 rhinos on a sinlge move before being killed by an air assault whilst the other was killed by a combined assault of devs+speeders afer doubling and missing.

Decimators - whilst there range is, on paper, only marginally worse than the MW feral its actual useful range is far less as the Marines used terrain to ensure I couldn't get to shoot much of the time

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Hopefully the structure and stat changes have made it so that the list is no longer so overpowered.


On the other hand, I'm sure he could have won with a 1000pt army composed solely of Siege Infantry... that it was only 2-0 is therefore a massive win for yourself!  

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If it wasn't for those dastardly dice  

In turn 2 or was it 3 (the old minds going y'know, but at least I'm not repeating myself yet) I had 5 or was it 6(the old minds going y'know, but at least I'm not  repeating myself yet) failed activations which I thought affected the game slightly.

It would be worth trying the list or a similar one against a slower moving army just to make sure but I do think it lacked a bit of the allround ability that is needed for a tournament list.

Indeed, though we play virtually every week and I'd say its about 50/50. Admittedly I've never beaten Dave in a tourney but the games are generally very close, in this game I was beaten from about turn2 even with Daves run of failed activations - which would have been enough to turn a game between us normally.

Hopefully we'll get a couple of games in this week against a different style of force.

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