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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:39 am 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ Dec. 16 2009, 20:35 )

Blame my ex-girlfirend that i don't have any gamers in the direct vicinity anymore. But there is hope for next year as one of the german Epic-Battles members moves near the city i life now :)

What she hunted them down one by one?

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 2:53 am 
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The first of the changes for the current list are to be updated (with a version update) this weekend.

Based on feedback and ideas recieved, here are the proposals:

1. Daemonic Assault engines are to be made more generic. In this regard, instead of having 7 differnt vehicles, there will be two entries to the army list, each with 2 options. These will be as follows:

Daemonic Assault Engines - Representing: Blood Reaper, Cauldron of Blood, Death Dealer, Lesser Scorpion, Tower of Skulls
Cost: 250 points for 5 Daemonic Assault Engines in any combination

MV / AR / CC / FF
25/ 4+ / 4+ / 4+
Fearless, Invulnerable Save

Weapons
Guns 45cm 2x AP5+/AT5+
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Gun - 30cm AP3+/AT5+
Close Combat - Assault +1EA(MW)


Daemonic Support Engines - Representing: Cannon of Khorne and Doomblasters
Cost: 275 points for 4 Daemonic Support Engines in any combination

MV / AR / CC / FF
20/ 5+ / 6+ / 4+
Fearless, Invulnerable Save
Weapons
Warp Cannon 90cm MW5+ Ignore Cover
OR
Doom Blasters - 45cm 2BP


2. World Eater Juggernaughts

Feedback that these were not worth taking for their price. Juggernaughts remain the same other than the following points cost:

5-8 World Eater Juggernaught units

250 Points for 5 Juggernaught units.
+ 50 points per extra unit

This will bring them in line with the World Eater Bike unit costs.


3. World Eater Berserkers to drop to 225 points as a base retinue cost

4. Dreadclaws to increase to 100 points

5. Chosen to gain Dreadclaws upgrade

6. Close combat Dreadnought (2xMW CC) to be removed as does not add anything new to the list

7. Potentially add Brass Scorpions (as per Vraks) to the list - undecided as yet

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Other areas to be looked at:

A. Dreadnought weapon layout to be reviewed - maybe add Ignore Cover as a FF option or replace main weapon or give options
B. Cerberus Warhound to be reviewed (weapon, cost, and critical hit layout)

That is it for now. I am on a short lunch   :;):

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:47 am 
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At Home now so have time to get my thoughts together for a few of the other changes either being considered or are being changed:

- Predator layout to change to Autocannon and 2 x Lascannons  (reduction in FF)

- Strategy rule for Daemons (gaining and losing) to be removed

- Text for Characters to be re-written to portray the special changes in initiative with the loss of a Skull Lord or higher.

- Remove the weapon on the Packmaster within the Bloodgors - defunct

- Increase Bloodgor unit from 10 to 12 for the same points cost.

- Land Raiders going to CC5+

- Determine whether the transport options available through various upgrades can take a unit above the normal transport allotments

- Ravager - Maybe Khorne-ise it a little more (??)


That's it for now (so far)   :;):

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7. Potentially add Brass Scorpions (as per Vraks) to the list - undecided as yet


I would be hugely disappointed if these did not make it into the WoE list. They seem to be a natural to me, but that's just my perspective.

Thoughts on why you might not include them?

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7. Potentially add Brass Scorpions (as per Vraks) to the list - undecided as yet


I would be hugely disappointed if these did not make it into the WoE list. They seem to be a natural to me, but that's just my perspective.

Thoughts on why you might not include them?

We already have the Greater Brass Scorpions in the list and there is not much difference between then and the smaller Version that is priced at 2 for 250 points.

Don't get me wrong, they have a very good chance (~80%) of being included. I just do not wish to give a definite on it until I have spent an hour going over the list - that all.

I am not one to let any models (Otter ones in this case) go to waste as is evidenced with my persistence with the daemon Assault Engines

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I was quite surprised by the amount of changes to tell you the truth. No wonder I have trouble getting to sleep with all these ideas trapped in that head of mine.   :down:    I thought 1.3.1, was close to the 'golden' edition for this army. With TRC and Shermo coming to the 'party' it really allowed me to challenge the list structure and adapt many - if not most- of their ideas. Anything that was left out were changes that are either yet to be discussed (summoning), or not appropriate for the established list. They may make great ideas for a side project, but not while I move this project to completion.  

At this rate (if all goes well) January 30 2010 just may be the date that Tau  :alien:  and World Eaters   :devil:  lock their lists down for a full year  

Cheers dude   :yay:

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For clarification: The Greater Brass Scorpion IS the Brass Scorpion of the Vraks books.

Lesser Brass Scorpion = The old Epic model with the chainsaw pincers
Brass Scorpion = The Apocalypse model made out of two Defilers
Greater Brass Scorpion = The beast from the Vraks books

Else: i like your changes. Expecially the simpification of the Daemon Engines.




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when ever you fancy a play test via Vassal, just give me a shout :) Happy to help even in a small way

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when ever you fancy a play test via Vassal, just give me a shout :) Happy to help even in a small way

That will be awesome dude. I just need to get a few things out of the way, and then I will PM you.

Do you want to play as the WoE or against them?

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Quote: (BlackLegion @ Dec. 19 2009, 00:35 )

For clarfictaion:
Brass Scoprion = The Apocalpyse model made out of two Defilers

Ah yes. Thanks for the clarification. So many times I aqm in a hurry that I neglect to refer to the correct supplements   :shutup:  


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Else: i like your changes. Expecially the simpification of the Daemon Engines.


Yeah, you can thank TRC for that one. He has some great ideas amongst all those ones that involve more and more activations   :laugh:

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Argh...i made so many typos...edited.

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I have a game today where I will be using the amendments. I would have a picture for you but I do not know what I am up against, either Imp Guard or Orks at a rough guess.

I have to look at what I can afford but I would like to be taking the following:

- Daemon Assault Engines
- Daemon Support Engines
- Berserkers garrisoning with some Bloodgors
- Maybe a drop retinue with daemons summoning
- Some Chosen - to threaten the frontal approach with more garrisons
- a unit of bloodgors - again to concentrate on the frontal assault
- Bikes - to harras the sides
- Hellblades - air defence

- If I have the points left, I may throw in the scorpions or more Daemons engines. let's see how we go  :)

Hmm. No Terminators. Oh well, I will try to do without them for this game




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OK. I am taking the following list. Brass Scorpions missed the cut in favour of testing a 2nd group of Daemon Assault engines for the same cost.

- Berserkers(1) + Skull Lord + Abhumans(Bloodgors)x6 (BTS)
- Berserkers(2) + Dreadclaws + Daemonic Pact
- Bikes(1) x5
- Bikes(2) x5
- Chosen (scout) + 2 Slaughterfiends (they will be using these as transports)

- Bloodgors
- Daemon Assault Engines(1); 3x Assault and 2xGuns
- Daemon Assault Engines(2); 2x Assault and 3xGuns
- Daemonic Support Engines; 4xDoom Blasters

- Hellblades
- Cruiser

- 5x Bloodletters

That is 10-11 activations and a very (Khorne) fluffy feel IMO. Should be a fun game   :;):




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To be reported on throughout the coming week.

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when ever you fancy a play test via Vassal, just give me a shout :) Happy to help even in a small way

That will be awesome dude. I just need to get a few things out of the way, and then I will PM you.

Do you want to play as the WoE or against them?

cool!

Probably against WoE first then with them for a 2nd game, so I could get a feel for them 1st. Otherwise it wouldn't be a very representative playtest :) Anytime's good, just let me know.

PS. you seen Morgan around recently? Haven't seen him on MSN for ages..

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Probably against WoE first then with them for a 2nd game, so I could get a feel for them 1st. Otherwise it wouldn't be a very representative playtest :) Anytime's good, just let me know.

That's cool. I will look for some time this week however it is looking pretty unlikely with Christmas and all...


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PS. you seen Morgan around recently? Haven't seen him on MSN for ages..


He will be reading this no doubt later today so he will know that you are looking for him  :)

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