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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:24 pm 
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GREAT BRASS SCORPION (Scorpios Collosi)....... Points 550

              WS   BS   S   Front   Side   Rear   I   A
Brass Scorpion  3    3   10    14     13     10    3   8

Unit: 1 Brass Scorpion

Type: Super-heavy Walker

Structure Points: 3

Weapons and Equipment:
One Scorpion Cannon
One Demolisher Cannon
Two Hellmaw Cannons

Weapon                  Range       Str  AP   Special
Scorpion Cannon           36"       6    3   Heavy 10, Primary Weapon
Demolisher Cannon         24"       10   2   Ordinance 1, 5" Blast
Hellmaw Cannon            Template  6    3   Assault 1

Special Rules:

Frenzied Charge: The Brass Scorpion can cover all manner of terrain at great speed - it assaults 12" as if it were a beast.

Daemonic Possession: The Brass Scorpion ignores all Driver Stunned and Gun Crew Shaken damage results.

Runes of the Blood God: Any Psycher that targets the Brass Scorpion with a psychic power automatically suffers a Perils of the Warp attack, regardless of whether or not they pass their psychic test.

Doomsday Reactor: The Brass Scorpion recieves a +2 modifier when rolling on the Catastrophic Damage table


Pretty similar to the old rules; the only changes I can immediately spot are the 3 DC, 6 Attacks and maybe the armour profile?

Contrary to the rumours the scorpion cannon remains the same as the standard Brass Scorpion.

Also, note this interesting passage from the fluff text:

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Since they first began to be encountered in substantial numbers during major Chaos assaults from the Eye of Terror, there seems now to have been several variants of the Brass Scorpion. Some machines display close similarities in construction to the defiler, while others have more outlandish and distinct shapes and sizes. Brass Scorpions have been encountered varying from the size of a Leman Russ battle tank up to colossal monstrosities the size of small Titans. Variations in armament have also been noted.


This gives credance to the idea of having 3 or so different stat lines for brass scorpions, and also reintegrates the old epic model as viable in the current fluff. Yay!




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 Post subject: Brass Scorpian of Khorne
PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:59 pm 
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Quote: (zombocom @ Sep. 08 2009, 9:24 PM)

This gives credance to the idea of having 3 or so different stat lines for brass scorpions, and also reintegrates the old epic model as viable in the current fluff. Yay!

You are a eagle among pigeons my good man!  :agree:

Thanks Zombocom and all others responding

Very nice about the variants. I am glad we were on the right track  :)

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Zombocom, was it 6 attacks or 8 attacks on the Greater Brass Scorpion?

The datafax has 8 yet you mention 6.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:04 pm 
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So if it is 6 attacks (just taking the guess here), the profile has doubled the attacks and given 1DC more.

So that could effectively be:

Option A: DC3 with Claws-MW, Extra Attack (+3) or

Option B: DC3 with Claws-MW, Extra Attack (+2)TK (? just for a change ?)

The other thing is the price. The 40k version has a 137.5% increase in price.

It may then reasonable for the Epic version with one of the above changes to have the Greater Brass Scorpions cost 175 points for 1, or buy 2 for 340 points.

Interested in people's thoughts on these

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:58 pm 
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It's 6 attacks, yeah. I can't edit the thread for some reason.

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Yes differences are only: +1 Front Armour, +1DC, +3 Attacks.

So Armour would be 4+ Reinforced Armour in Epic.
3 DC obvioulsy.
CC is a bit trickier. It has double the Attacks of the smaller Brass Scorpion. The Epic version currently has CC3+ with +1 Macro-weapon Extra Attack. So just give it +2 Macro-weapon Extra Attack?

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BL's suggestions sound abound right.

Points-wise it'd need to be a lot more expensive, as the main downside of the original scorpion, its fragility, is lost.

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Currently it`s 2 Brass Scorpions for 250pts. So what about 1-3 Great Brass Scorpions for 200pts each?

To summarise the new stats:

Chaos Great Brass Scorpion (Khorne)
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
War Engine 20cm 4+ 3+ 3+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Scorpion Cannon 30cm 2 x AP3+/AT5+ -
2 x Hellmaw Cannon 15cm AP4+ Ignore Cover
Demolisher Cannon 30cm AP3+/AT4+ Ignore Cover
Claws (base contact) Assault Weapons Macro-weapon, Extra Attacks (+2)

Damage Capacity 3. Critical Hit Effect: The Great Brass Scorpions's reactir explodes. The great Brass Scorpion is destroyed, and any units within 5cm of the model suffer a hit on a D6 roll of 4.

Notes: [i]Invulnerable Save, Infiltrators, Fearless, Reinforced Armour, Walker.




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PostPosted: Wed Sep 09, 2009 5:42 am 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ Sep. 09 2009, 9:52 AM)

Currently it`s 2 Brass Scorpions for 250pts. So what about 1-3 Great Brass Scorpions for 200pts each?

To summarise the new stats:

I am up with that.

I will update the World Eater list.

Thanks guys   :agree:




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We were talking about this further and we believe that the 200 points are too expensive.

Reasons:

Brass Scorpions(BS)- 250 for 2   vs    Greater Brass Scorpions(GBS) 200 for 1

BS get double the amount of shots than a GBS
BS get 1 extra attack more than a GBS
GBS is more susceptible to TK shots (2xDC2 vs DC3)
BGS gets a better save than the BS squad

The BS are a better buy all around for a mere 50 points.

Our suggestion is :

Squad of Greater Brass Scorpions (1-3)
- 200 points for the first Greater Brass Scorpions
- 175 points for each other Greater Brass Scorpion

So instead of 600 points for 3, it is 550 points, yet you have to buy all three to realise the point savings.

So what are people's thoughts?




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