Wow
I go to sleep and look what happens. ÂÂ
Well as the only one who appears to have played the list on this discussion, let me clarrify a few points:
1. I used substitute miniatures for troops, so stating that you do not have the minis to play the list is crap IMO. Play the list with the minis that you have. You are testing the list, not holding a presentation.
2. The terminators are not the first choice in an army. From making my army up, 2 berserker retinues were my first choice and the Terminators were the third choice. They may always be taken as a unit, but it is not guraanteed. At 0-1, and for their points, I may end up taking a beefier Berserker retinue in place of them with some support. It is not always a given.
3. Hena, E&C, TRC: Please play the list and let us know how you go with an army build. Also please report how the terminators took out either the whole opposition force, or at least their points worth. Please also advise on the miraculous luck you had in not losing 2 or even 1 model in the game of these monsters. [/sarcasm]
4. How do you kill World Eater Terminators? Are you serious? Just like you would kill marine terminators. You either kill them (shoot most likley) or ignore them (as best you can). Like all terminator units, there is no middle ground. The fact that the World Eaters do not have ATSKNF means that they are highly suseptible to BM. More so that any other
cult force (due to numbers in a unit). As for Black Legion Terminators, they are so much cheaper that you have more points in your army to effectively have another activation.
5. Restriction on units. How is pricing something out of the market not a restriction on itself. It appears that people want them so much dearer that you have to really think and scrimp before taking them. Well until that is in effect for Marines and the other legions as well, how is this fair? How is it also not fluff to have the restriction. Mars 'aint making those suits for these chapters anymore. They are a rarity for such legions (I dread the day I play against an all Marine Terminator army - how F#$@ing boring that will be - but it can happen).
Overall guys, opinions without playtests are just that, opinions. At least when giving the opinions, advise what you are going to do in a playtest to show the effect of the 'flaw' in the rule.
As for me, my next game is Thursday. I will take a Terminator unit just to report on how it does. Hey, I might be wrong, but I doubt it.
You've not seen my terminators in combat have you? I lose 2-3 each assault usually... It is possible is my point.
But it is quiblling IMO. Especially for a unit that is stil experimental.
