I can't help but feel that the High Gothic/Latin name shouldn't overtly reference the Legion's patron deity. While the colloquial, Low Gothic (English) names might have been changed, aren't the High Gothic names what the legions were called before they fell?

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There's little pretence for those Legio's who did change their names having High Gothic names in the first place - but every Legio has one - however given that we can use Titanicus as the basis for the assumption that Titans do change their own High Gothic names a Legion that devotes itsself entirely to a god may well alter its high gothic if not by the will of its god and Nurgle has a sense of humor andpleasedontstartanotherwhinefestaboutthebackgroundinthelistitsjustbackgroundfocusontheru
lesinstead.

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andpleasedontstartanotherwhinefestaboutthebackgroundinthelistitsjustbackgroundfocusontheru
lesinstead.

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Replacing one name with another isn't THAT a lot wof work. The rest of your fluff text can remain unchanged.
And for italian supermarket names: Never pronounce the "c" in latin as "s" or "sh". It is always pronounced as "k". At least in Classic Latin. Vulgar/Church Latin is another matter.

eg Putescere would sound like poo-tre-skere (with "e" as the "e" in hen) not poo-tre-shere or paa-tre-shere.  

And yes Italian and Latin sound quite similar. First Italian was a dialect from Latin but developed into a language of its own. The same is true for all Romance languages as French, Spanish, Portuguese, Romanian, Catalan, etc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_spel ... nunciation

Oh and don't take it personal. We all just want to reach a consensus to make everybody happy.  

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Dude

If you want to make a list that is fine.

If you want to use an established GW name, then you go with the fluff or not at all. As long as you use an established Legion Name (or other GW name)and insist on changing the background, all you will do is annoy the community who will invariably take no notice of your lists for the future.

My suggestion, make your own name and history that does not in any way replace any other Legions and you will get all the help you need from a supportive community.

Otherwise stick to the right fluff for the right name and the community will assist you to create the list that the majority will agree to playtest and use.

Just my observations.

Cheers..

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Sorry, sorry...I shouldn't post in the early hours of the morning, I'm usually grouchy, its simply when people keep picking at background that hasn't been codified after I've consented to remaking all the list background as the Legio the community wants, I get a little exasperated.

And I did stick with the right background for the right name, given that Legio Mortis is contradictorarily listed as Khorne and Nurgle in seperate places - the only reason I consented to changing to the Festering Death is:

A) The fact that there was obvious confusion from some area's regarding Mortis' allignment and it was therefor only logical to consent to the clearly Nurgle Legio.

B) Because it wasn't going to go away until I did.

As for how large a scale the re-write had to be...I did have to change a large-ish ammount of background text to incorporate the Festering Death given its accomplishments are unknown - and there is no 'right' High Gothic name for the Legio, and so I made my own choice - which is why I'm running with Legio Cariosus.

In responce BlackLegion, I don't speak Itallian, so I know very little about its pronounciation, even pronounced as a Latin word 90% of those names still sound like comedy Itallian supermarket names, in my own opinion.

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No worries.  Since the discussion was on the background and official sources, I thought you were putting forward those names as being from something GW published.

Personally, I don't think a "legio" designation is required for the post-Heresy legions.  If they remained semi-intact and kept the same name as some of them did, that's fine.  If they changed their name, though, I don't see a reason for them to keep the old legio designation or create a new one.

If you just want to make up names, that's fine as well.  But you've seen that even around here with a pretty relaxed group that inventing new stuff can be problematic.  It might be easier to just make up a legion from scratch than to try to merge GW material and your own creations.

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Silver Scythes background from CJ:

The Legion of Festering Death, formally known by the Imperium as the Silver Scythes, had been based on the rim of Imperial space when the Heresy swept the Imperium into civil war.  Overlooked by many and far away from the bulk of the fighting the legion's commanders quickly succumbed ot the lure of Chaos and entered the fray, siding with the Lord of Decay.  The Legion set about bringing famine and pestilence to the worlds on the rim and unleashed ancient plagues upon the planets, thus winning their Lord's favour.

There's considerably more about Bubonis specifically, but that's because the CJ article focused a lot more on the character titans than the legions as a whole.

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Neal, could you please possibly send me all of the info on Bubonis as well? It'd be really helpful for making sure that the background in the list is stable, more specifically I was intending to patch up the gaps on the Emperor page with his bio.

With regard to making up names, I'm semi-determined to use the iconic Legions of the gods where they have background details - the Khorne one may well need to be made up given that the current fluff is now unsure as to which side the Burning Skulls are. But I'm certainly fixed on using Festering Death and Suns of Damnation now, simply because they are the two Legions we have as iconically devoted to their gods and that makes them identifiable.

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Also, which Champion is responsible for this list? If I want to submit it.

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Lord Inquisitor is Chaos Space Marines Champion, I suspect it'd fall under his purview rather than Lost and the Damned, by virtue of the fact that Traitor Titans appear in the former list but not the latter.

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Er... *you* are... *laugh*

You might want to talk with the head Chaos Champions, Lord Inquisitor and Steve54, about things, or the NetERC, Hena, nealhunt, and myself, but, you're the one "running" this list.

If it gets tested and balanced it can be placed under the NetEA umbrella if you like, but nothing forces you to do that; or you can submit it to other Epic development groups if you like.

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Now living in Boston... any EPIC players want to meet up?

It's an interesting situation as there is no overall 'Chaos' Champion, only sub-champions as it were...

...submit straight to the NetERC itself then!

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Since the dark days of the Horus Heresy the renegade Titan Legions have dwelt in the Eye of Terror.  For thousands of years they have been proving themselves to the dark lords in the hope that the most worthy of them might be granted the ultimate reward, daemonhood!

Bubonis is one such titan.  Once the command of Grand Master Marnic Bubon, man and machine have become one and now lead the much feared Festering Death Titan Legion to war against all comers.

The Legion of Festering Death, formally known by the Imperium as the Silver Scythes, had been based on the rim of Imperial space when the Heresy swept the Imperium into civil war.  Overlooked by many and far away from the bulk of the fighting the legion's commanders quickly succumbed ot the lure of Chaos and entered the fray, siding with the Lord of Decay.  The Legion set about bringing famine and pestilence to the worlds on the rim and unleashed ancient plagues upon the planets, thus winning their Lord's favour.

[SM/TL rules - Bubonis counts as a greater daemon and is required to have followers under the old chaos force org]

Whenever Bubonis moves he leaves a trail of sticky contagious slime behind him.  [SM/TL rules – slime stays in play, units take hits if they cross the slime]

1200 years ago Nurgle rewarded Bubonis for his loyalty and devotion with a special plague cannon.  These are barrage weapons that fire a festering ball of rotting waste that’s infused with many sickening diseases [SM/TL rules - big barrage, no special abilities].  Bubonis is also armed with the revolting Rot Spitters [SM/TL rules – medium range, lots of shots].  Many writhing tentacles protrude from the titan’s carapace.  These end in gaping mouths that shoot large gobbets of rot and goo at the enemies of Nurgle, while the huge gaping mouth that cominates the titan’s body can spit long streams of corrupted slime at anything that gets too close.  Bubonis’ mighty plague cannons are gripped and aimed by decaying Claws of Nurgle.  [SM/TL rules - These are treated as a single power fist in close combat.  You may not fire the plague cannon and use the claws as a power fist in the same turn.]

Nurgle Titan Powers (summarized):

Plague Carrier – CC hits prior to combat (First Strike)
Warty body – boost to armor for loss in move
Nurglesque appearance – cause morale checks (Inspiring)
Nurglings – CC attacks (Extra Attacks)
Stream of Corruption – flamer template weapon
Claws of Nurgle – CC weapon

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Neal

I'd say this comes more under E&C's general umbrella.

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Given that the NetEA is pretty much the core structure that everyone I play Epic against refers to, I think I'll stick with it - the 'if' was more in reference to wether or not I think its ready to be put through any sort of playtesting.

Thanks for the reference Neal can we assume that Grand Master is analogous to Princeps Maximus/Legate?

And lastly thanks to everyone who has been giving input thus far.

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