I believe the fusion guns and flamers would give them FF5+, not FF6+... and CC4+ seems awfully good for them... that's how good Marines are in close combat; having both CC and FF at 5+ seems more appropriate to me.

Gotta say this is drifting the list away from being a "baseline" Craftworld army list; not that that's bad, but is that the intent?

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I think this is stretching things, just to get the Void Spinner into the list; it's not that other Craftworlds don't have them, it's that they don't use them as a *weapon*; the Void Spinner is a "terraforming", or whatever the Eldar word would be, device, Biel-Tan is perverting its purpose when they take it to war.  It's like using the Genesis Device from Wrath of Khan as a *bomb* instead of turning dead matter into a living state.

So, the other Craftworlds don't use it, not because they don't have access, but because they believe it's an abomination to use it that way.

If Storm Guardians are going to be the "special" of the Craftworld, they don't need one of Biel-Tan's specials as well.

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CC5+ and FF5+ would be a pretty good compromise.

As far as moving away from a baseline Craftworld I'm just spit-balling here.

semajnollissor complained that there is no reason for this list to exist as it can be recreated close enough with another list.

I had to take a hard look and think that maybe he's right. I'm undecided. I really wanted to build a basic, unremarkable list, but with my modeling and painting, and finally getting hold of someone to do some custom Iybraesil decals for me I've sort of gone Iybraesil crazy.

I wondered what it would be like to expand on their background. So I'm a bit torn between having my original idea seen through and doing a proper variant list for Iybraesil.

Given that I'm in the minority and no-one wants to play a "joe-shmo" average Craftworld I'm thinking maybe a new direction is needed.

I think this is stretching things, just to get the Void Spinner into the list; it's not that other Craftworlds don't have them, it's that they don't use them as a *weapon*; the Void Spinner is a "terraforming", or whatever the Eldar word would be, device, Biel-Tan is perverting its purpose when they take it to war.  It's like using the Genesis Device from Wrath of Khan as a *bomb* instead of turning dead matter into a living state.

So, the other Craftworlds don't use it, not because they don't have access, but because they believe it's an abomination to use it that way.

If Storm Guardians are going to be the "special" of the Craftworld, they don't need one of Biel-Tan's specials as well.

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"You'll never understand how much watching other people's pain gets me off, hearing their screams and knowing that I have the power of a god." -Velvet Acid Christ

You know...

During the Eye of Terror campaign the Eldar managed to establish 'islands of stability' on several of the croneworlds (mainly because croneworlds were one of the few warzones open to the Eldar that Eldar players cared about).

It stands to reason that the Iybraesil Eldar must have participated in that effort (even if they weren't mentioned in the Campaign, even in passing), and that effort must have involved the use of terraforming equipment. Maybe preemptive terraforming is a typical tactic when fighting on infested croneworlds.

Dude, no one listens to me. Not even Neal, and I know him in real life.

Well I'll listen to anyone who has an opinion.

Until they annoy me and I tell them to sod off!   (borrowing my wife's vocab)

just kidding.  


So would you try the list in a game semajnollissor?

Edit: and no-one commented on my fluff! I thought i was alright..not great, but worth a comment!  

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"You'll never understand how much watching other people's pain gets me off, hearing their screams and knowing that I have the power of a god." -Velvet Acid Christ

I think the problem with Storm Guardians is that if you make their abilities commensurate with their 40K stats, they will be dirt cheap.  Even if you put them at CC5+/FF5+, they should be cheaper than standard Guardians.  Their primary effective use would be as a horde, which is about as un-Eldar-ish as it gets.  Conversely, to make them valuable enough that they aren't horde troops, their abilities will end up far in excess of anything justified by the 40K stats.

I think Semaj's idea of a composite assault formation that includes more than just Guardian/Farseer as the base formation is one possible answer, e.g. Farseer, 6 Guardians, Wraithlord.  A pure Storm Guardian formation might be okay if you require them to take a transport or gate for every formation - Wraithgate, Storm Serpent, Wave Serpents or Vampire (of course, that might end up being quite fiddly).

In any case, the goal would be to keep the formation cost and overall ability up enough that the formation doesn't become horde fodder.

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You're probably right. I think including the Storm Guardians would be trickier than what I was expecting.

I might want to concentrate on my original mission plan, and that's to make a "basic" Craftworld list.

Thanks for all your opinions guys.  

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"You'll never understand how much watching other people's pain gets me off, hearing their screams and knowing that I have the power of a god." -Velvet Acid Christ

semajnollissor complained that there is no reason for this list to exist as it can be recreated close enough with another list.