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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:36 am 
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You do not need to change, you do not need to alter your behaviour.

I am also entitled to my opinions

The three main things I object to are:

The editing of thread titles, I find this very confusing (though I know the point is to make it less so).

The deletion of OT posts, I agree offensive posts should be deleted, but if a discussion goes OT then fair enough.

The editing of posts (even if it is for grammar and spelling) but once you start with one thing where do you draw the line... imagine saying GW is a grate (sic) company and coming back to find out someone had changed it to GW is an okay company. I am not saying that anyone would do that, but I do ask where do you draw the line in the editing of posts?

I also moderate these boards and I have never ever edited or deleted a post because there hasn't been a need.

These are my opinions and as I have said, I don't demand things change (I don't have the right or authority to do so) but if it continues I will consider my position.

For me a moderator moderates.

I would also go with netepic that a PM is a good place to start rather than wholesale editing and deletion.

Some people may consider this petty, but if I don't enjoy hanging around then there is no point hanging around. You will have noticed the fact that I rarely participate in the EA forums - but I don't want to drag parallels with the EA board into this discussion.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 1:06 pm 
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Just to add my opinions here...

Maksim, there is absolutely no need (from my perspective) for you to step down in any way. You asked if people would mind a few deleted posts, the response was 'please dont', you didnt.

As for other issues here, we have already discussed this at length. If there is only a minority who find this confusing or difficult then maybe it should be restricted or stopped. I would rather live with bad spelling than bad feeling. ?:D

For the most part, these boards are extremely successfully self-moderated. If people have problems or issues, they are more than welcomed to chat with me on PM about them. Similarly, if the mods (or anyone) has issues that can be PM'ed then this can be considered (as long as it is friendly).

EDIT: I should also have added that there are no 'petty' issues. If someone has problems or is not happy here, then I would like to hear about it. I appeciate every visit we get here, and if anyone feels that there is something that they are not happy about then they should let me know. I cant promise to sort everything out to your complete satisfaction, but I want this to be a place that we all enjoy visiting.





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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 4:40 pm 
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Maksim
You do not need to change, you do not need to alter your behaviour.
I am also entitled to my opinions
The three main things I object to are:
The editing of thread titles, I find this very confusing (though I know the point is to make it less so).
The deletion of OT posts, I agree offensive posts should be deleted, but if a discussion goes OT then fair enough.
The editing of posts (even if it is for grammar and spelling) but once you start with one thing where do you draw the line... imagine saying GW is a grate (sic) company and coming back to find out someone had changed it to GW is an okay company. I am not saying that anyone would do that, but I do ask where do you draw the line in the editing of posts?
I also moderate these boards and I have never ever edited or deleted a post because there hasn't been a need.
These are my opinions and as I have said, I don't demand things change (I don't have the right or authority to do so) but if it continues I will consider my position.
For me a moderator moderates.


Thanks for writing back. I really appreciate it.

I have PM'ed you regarding the message and look forward to hearing from you again. I responded with greater length on the PM.

where do you draw the line in the editing of posts?


For me, I use the guidelines of editing/moderating format, but not content. I use an overriding factor that I don't edit/moderate people's messages who have asked me not to like yourself and I didn't until I made a mistake. I respect the wishes of the posters here.

Having worked as an editor (translator/interpreter/etc.) for several years, I can do this in my sleep (about as quickly as I read the posts).

For some users like Legion-4, since he uses WebTV, he has little control over how his messages appear. I have customarily edited his to make them clealer. He has indicated to me that he has been happy with the results.

For other users like Gandalf (a great guy), I edit out his profane language. He has E-mailed me before indicating that he's OK with that. In fact, he's really toned down (but not too much, Gandalf! :) ?) and I rarely catch him writing "choice words" anymore. :;):

For a couple of the non-native English speakers, I edit their messages for clarity so that others can more easily understand them. I can really sympathize here since my English was very weak for years. I spent a lot of time studying English and working on my accent so I can be clearly and easily understood. Sometimes I still lapse and have difficulty thinking in English. During those times, my language and speaking voice lapse. I try to give those sorts of posters the same sort of aid I would have wanted at those times.

In the case of new users, I let them know that I am one of the moderators and let them know that I respond to requests and am happy to help in any way possible. I spoke with Xavi this way. He has indicated so far that he's happy with the results. So has ATHMOS.

Of course, I can only rely and act on what people tell me. If there is resentment that hasn't been communicated, I can do nothing about it.

I would also go with netepic that a PM is a good place to start rather than wholesale editing and deletion.

I do communicate with members about any "moderation" I'm responsible for. Before deleting OT posts in another thread, I asked the posters if they were OK with that. They were except for one member so, in order to respect his opinions/requests, I desisted from deleting those OT posts.

I'm also against wholesale editing/deletion without reason/good will. I generally consider permission from the posters to do those things to be a good enough reason.

I would also go with netepic that a PM is a good place to start rather than wholesale editing and deletion.
Some people may consider this petty, but if I don't enjoy hanging around then there is no point hanging around. You will have noticed the fact that I rarely participate in the EA forums - but I don't want to drag parallels with the EA board into this discussion.

I'm sure that we can find ourselves in a situation in which you'd like to remain here at Epicomms. I'd certainly prefer that and would be very willing to make changes to provide for you and the other posters/members here.

Best regards, cheers and Shalom,
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 4:56 pm 
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Oh yes, Maksim has cleared up some of my lists and such, and they look better and are easier to read, "for the greater good". On occasions, he adds or deletes a word or punctuation, if I think it changes the intent, I "edit" it back, but that is rarely.  No problem ! :)  And I have a minimal working knowlegde of a number of languages, German, Italian, Korean and Klingon, of course, so I know what Maksim refers to about translating. My 2 cents !  I say let's move on ...  :;):

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:58 pm 
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Quote (Legion 4 @ 08 2003 Sep.,01:56)
I say let's move on ... ?:;):

Seconded.

Lets get back to the important stuff: Epic! :p

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Maksim, apart from the fact that i think you're a pretty good moderator (i wont even argue), i just found one of those hive mind thing : i planned for about three day to re-read the Iliad, and then i read you're doing so.
Maybe we are 4th generation hybrid genestealers or something ?
Acting as a beacon for the some great horror to come in the sky ?
I'll just profit of that post to mention as disgusted i also was to see that GW dare use such name as Torquemada for a "hero" in their range. Most people wont even know what it mean, but i certainly agree with you that its pure bad taste. They like to borrow most names here and there, why not, but even if this one come to mind when thinking about inquisition, i think they should have look for something else.

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Athmos,

Maksim,
Apart from the fact that I think you're a pretty good moderator (I won't even argue), I just found one of those hive mind things: I have planned for about three days to re-read the Iliad, and then I read you're doing so.


Too late. I finished this morning! :)

Now, if I tried to read it in French... it would take me forever. It took me about a year to finsh reading one of Camus's novels (I wasn't really trying either, but that's beyond the point.

I've been revisiting the classics lately.

Thanks for the compliment too.

Maybe we are 4th-generation hybrid Genestealers or something?


I hope not! It's bad enough just being me at times!

Acting as a beacon for the some great horror to come in the sky?

The only thing I'm a beacon for is the tax man!

I'll just profit of that post to mention as disgusted I also was to see that GW dared to use such name as Torquemada for a "hero" in their range. Most people wont even know what it mean, but I certainly agree with you that it's purely bad taste.

I still find that in extremely bad taste. Anyone for tennis with Pol Pot? :;):

They like to borrow most names here and there, why not, but even if this one come to mind when thinking about Inquisition, I think they should have look for something else.

I wish they'd be a little more creative and make up their own names rather than borrowing so liberally from history.

I'm ready for a few Israelite or Israeli Space Marines and Imperial Commanders! :D

I don't think it will ever happen though.

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Hi!


I say let's move on ...  

Seconded.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 11:32 am 
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Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 07 2003 Sep.,23:31)
I'm ready for a few Israelite or Israeli Space Marines and Imperial Commanders! :D

I don't think it will ever happen though.

Shalom,
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Sorry to peep in this late, but have you taken a look at the Dark Angels? Librarian Ezekiel comes to mind.

Unfortunately, they're also commanded by the devil (Azrael) and not only that but he seems to have cloned himself and put the clone to be the boss of Interrogator Chaplains (Asmodai). ?:(

But I have yet to see any Finnish Space marines or troops. :{

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A long, long time ago, in the Book of the Astronomicon, the Space Wolves all had Romano-Latin names, now they are all Germanic. In the Space Hulk supplement, Genestealer, the Dark Angels were American Indians, they are now ... Latin ? ?I guess ? ???? ?Who knows, maybe there will be IDF or Finnish SMs ? ?Samson's Foxes, made famous during the 1st Arab-Israeli War ? ? Or didn't the Russian troops call the Finnish Ski Troops "White Death" ? ?Some ideas for your own SM units ... :D

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Quote (Legion 4 @ 13 2003 Sep.,01:20)
didn't the Russian troops call the Finnish Ski Troops "White Death" ? ?

yeah- the elite Sissi troops were especially nasty (if you were a Soviet).  Unfortunately they got let down by their equipment mainly as it recall it and got steamrollered by numbers.

Give them some Boltguns and Marine armour however... :)

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Yes, I read a number of works on the subject and recall in High School & College playing S&T's excellent game on the Russo-Finnish War, '39-'40.  I still have it in my "archives" ...  History at it's best ... :;):

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Yeah that is a great game- the REAL Valhallan Ice Warriors, IMHO.

I'm still sad I was forced to dispose of my archive when I joined the Navy.  Some unrecoverable treasures were in there...

Oh well :{

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Sorry to peep in this late, but have you taken a look at the Dark Angels? Librarian Ezekiel comes to mind.
Unfortunately, they're also commanded by the devil (Azrael) and not only that but he seems to have cloned himself and put the clone to be the boss of Interrogator Chaplains (Asmodai).


Ezekiel, Azrael, and Asmodai are all Persian / Early Arabic names. Ezekiel was name adopted by some Hebrews after the destruction of the first Temple before the first Diaspora. A few had it before the destruction of the first Temple who had been conquered by various Persian groups.

Before the advent of modern Arab nationalism, Jews lived throughout the Middle East, persecuted, but they lived. There are still some Jews living in a few Middle Eastern countries such as Iran and Morocco. The last Jews in Iraq left when the US ousted Saddam Hussein from power. They had been hostages until then.

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Yes Tas, IIRC, it was called Winter War and of course the article that came with the game was excellent too. ?And I also have a great book in the Ballantine series from the UK, I believe by the same name, that is in my "Black Library". ?My dislike of winter ops is only exceeded by desert ops, give me the jungle any day ! ?Or a nice hotel room ! :laugh:

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