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Post subject: Desert Ferrin to fight the Marines  Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:41 pm |
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| Quote (nealhunt @ 03 2005 June,10:41) | | I still think it lacks character, being a hodgepodge of lots of different Adeptus Titanicus stuff rather than just a titan legion. |
Interesting. I am glad we went the way we did though. With Epic loosing ground and heading down the tubes, this way maybe rules for many of those units and formations will become offical before it goes dorment again. 
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Post subject: Desert Ferrin to fight the Marines Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:53 pm |
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Interesting. I am glad we went the way we did though. With Epic loosing ground and heading down the tubes, this way maybe rules for many of those units and formations will become offical before it goes dorment again.
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Good point, dafrca. I hadn't thought about it like that. You're right, some official rules are better than none. I just hope everyone's pessimism (including my own) about the fate of epic is wrong. It sure would be nice to have new AT rules before epic once more falls into GW oblivion.
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Post subject: Desert Ferrin to fight the Marines Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:47 pm |
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I look at it like this. It seems to be cyclic, so I will ride the wave and get what I can when the wave goes down.
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Post subject: Desert Ferrin to fight the Marines Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:15 pm |
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My post probably sounded unduly harsh. I should be more clear.
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What I object to is the inclusion of Titans AND Ordinati AND Knights, not minor support units.
Each of those kinds of units is characterful enough to support its own distinct list. A small amount of inter-support would be fine. Allowing all of them to be a substantial portion of the army list puts their distinct feels into competition, resulting in an unfocused and muddled list.
And if those three units weren't enough to water down the character of the list, it also packs in the Capital Imperialis.
I would greatly prefer separate TL, AM (Ordinati), and Knight Household lists. The CI could be put into a new IG list, possibly Cadian for instance. I believe that would give a much crisper, cleaner flavor to units that really deserve the full treatment.
I understand the argument for "get it now before it's gone" but I'd rather have quality at the risk of not having an official use for some units. I think the Fan Squat list for EA, not to mention the tremendous job on NetEpic, is clear evidence that this community can come up with really good "unofficial" rules to use those models.
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Post subject: Desert Ferrin to fight the Marines Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:27 pm |
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| Quote (nealhunt @ 03 2005 June,14:15) | My post probably sounded unduly harsh. ?I should be more clear.
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What I object to is the inclusion of Titans AND Ordinati AND Knights, not minor support units. |
I did not think you were harsh at all. 
I think we need to keep in mind we were given a starting point from JJ before we started. One of his instructions was to include these things and create a "generic" Titan Legion list. The idea was that later we might have veriations like "Knight Household" or "AM Legion".
He even used the IG and Marines as examples. The basic generic IG list came first, then they took it and created Siege Masters etc. Same for the Marines. Generic first and then Blood Angelse etc.
In any case, I did not take your comments as Harsh or bad.
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Post subject: Desert Ferrin to fight the Marines Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:32 pm |
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Post subject: Desert Ferrin to fight the Marines Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:38 am |
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I would greatly prefer separate TL, AM (Ordinati), and Knight Household lists. The CI could be put into a new IG list, possibly Cadian for instance. I believe that would give a much crisper, cleaner flavor to units that really deserve the full treatment. |
Nealhunt,
I agree with you on this. I love the CI, but I don't think it belongs in a TL; IG is a better fit. TL, AM and Knight Households do deserve their own lists.
I think the Fan Squat list for EA, not to mention the tremendous job on NetEpic, is clear evidence that this community can come up with really good "unofficial" rules to use those models. |
I also think you are absolutely correct with this point. After all, wasn't Netepic created in the first place to support SM2/TL after its demise at GW?
I've survived the death and rebirth of Epic many times since AT was released; I'm certainly going to survive when E:A withers on the GW vine. ?
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Post subject: Desert Ferrin to fight the Marines Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 7:46 pm |
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I will admit, I like when a company takes the role of R&D for their product. By having a single point of "Officaldom" it helps keep some things in check.
However, having said that, I dislike when a company inists on being the "offical" souce but does not follow through with the responsability that goes with it.
GW has, many times, ignored a game then called foul when the fans take over. 
Primarch, you are right, as long as we all join in, the effort is better off with the input.
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