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Post subject: Shagrats Skyboyz  Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 8:09 pm |
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I wanted to do an all-airborne ork force, but came to the conclusion that it's not feasible. Orks simply must rely on weight of numbers and buying expensive air transport makes that tough.
That said, I would definitely run a flyboyz clan. I landa with stormboyz and deth koptas and a bunch of FBs would be a great addition to most ork forces.
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Post subject: Shagrats Skyboyz Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:36 pm |
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That is correct, airborne/air assault elements should be deployed as part of a larger combined arms force. History is full of examples, as Tas alluded. No matter what Epic army, once the air landing elements are on the ground behind the enemy forces, the other friendly units must push forward to link up with those units as with drops at Sicily, Normandy, Market-Garden, etc. Or as at Los Banos, have a mech force creat a diversion while a relief force advances to link-up/extraction. I dropped an SM Force with Drop Pods on some Eldar in a game a while ago (using Gen. Gavin's principle of dropping on the objective not next to it) and caused much confusion (annoyance) and casualities to the Xenos ! While I had Land Raiders advance to link up and provided the Drop Zone with CAS from Thunderhawks, that landed reinforcements to the flanks of the Eldar to draw enemy forces away from the DZ. It was over for the Xenos in a matter of a few turns ... great fun ! 
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Post subject: Shagrats Skyboyz Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:05 pm |
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| Quote (Tas @ 16 2004 Feb.,21:56) | | Quote (Markconz @ 17 2004 Feb.,06:51) | | One of my regular ork opponents has been using 18 fighta bombas (900 points) and just infantry in 3000 point games. ?It's quite a challenge to face. |
Holy Crud! Thats some serious Air Superiority!
Whats you usual counter to this- a mix of Fighter CAP and AAA? ?Found any special tactics to overcome it? ?
Dooing the Vietnamese thing of "huggin the enemy" to prevent Airstrikes plays right into the damn Xeno's hands.... |
Well I've been playing it using marines every time, and generally I'm not taking a massive anti-air contigent - in fact 2 hunters is about it. Luckily the tournament rules mean usually I only have to hold my objectives and survive for 4 turns...
Turn 1 usually sees my AA destroyed, but in consequence on turn 2 some of the fighta bombas are out of action. Turns 3 and 4 I get strafed a lot... However marine infantry in cover is pretty good surviving against FB's which need 6's to hit them, so lots of suppression but few casualties. FB"s are really good at wrecking marine vehicles tho.
The couple of times I have used lots of aircraft myself I have found that it its better to concentrate on shooting up the ork ground units (even with thunderbolts) rather than try and shoot down swarms of fighta-bombas.
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Post subject: Shagrats Skyboyz Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 10:12 pm |
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| Quote (nealhunt @ 17 2004 Feb.,19:09) | I wanted to do an all-airborne ork force, but came to the conclusion that it's not feasible. ?Orks simply must rely on weight of numbers and buying expensive air transport makes that tough.
That said, I would definitely run a flyboyz clan. ?I landa with stormboyz and deth koptas and a bunch of FBs would be a great addition to most ork forces. |
Well you can only spend a third of your points on the things anyway... but I think the Landas are an absolute bargain. Very rarely will they be shot down before they offload the troops inside, and an air assault by an ork warband is almost unstoppable. 8 attacks hitting on 3's from 4 nobz stands, 6 atttacks hitting on 4's from the boyz, (plus some gretchin and the Landa itself). Put a blast marker on the target before you assault and you are almost sure to win.
I'm currently scratchbuilding 2 landas for a game on Sunday... and I will buy at least two more from Fanatic once they are released.
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Post subject: Shagrats Skyboyz Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2004 11:20 pm |
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Sounds like fun ... I have 7 SM Drop Ships (of all types, GZG, G/W etc.) and have found them useful, too. I'm working on a 40K Pulsa Rokkit as an Epic Ork Lander ...
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Post subject: Shagrats Skyboyz Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:44 am |
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Not being up to date with the latesly goings on with Epic I wondered if one of ur knowledgable bods would fill me in on this matter.
Ive noticed GW have renamed the ole BattleFortress to GunFortress and made a completely new BattleFortress that looks more like the FW BattleWagon.
So wats it all about?
I resently bought a FW 40K scale BaneBlade to convert into a simular model I have in epic scale.
Will this now be classed as a GunFortress? Wats the difference between the two?
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Post subject: Shagrats Skyboyz Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 11:28 am |
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Well the Battlefortress is more of a giant troop carrier with a few gunz on it. The Gunfortress is more what you'd classify as a super heavy tank like those used by the IG. They sacrifice some of their troop capacity for more gunz. Nont a whole lot of difference stats wise though.
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Post subject: Shagrats Skyboyz Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 5:04 pm |
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Battle = transport
Gun = firepower
And for size:
Wagon = AV
Fortress = WE
So...
Vehicle transport firepower
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AV battlewagon gunwagon
WE battlefortress gunfortress
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Post subject: Shagrats Skyboyz Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2005 6:49 am |
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Good points, Neal ! Leave it to G/W to make something easy ... confusing ! 
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Post subject: Shagrats Skyboyz Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 4:32 pm |
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Just recieved my Avatar
There are a selection of Exarchs in each pack (one for each Aspect) ie 7 with two left to fill your Aspects stands, great
I wonder if we're going to have to order several Avatars in order to get the Aspect characters? I suspect so 
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Post subject: Shagrats Skyboyz Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2005 10:49 pm |
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Did you get the Court of the Young King pack ? Which is equivalent to the other armies' C-pack, I guess ? 
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Post subject: Shagrats Skyboyz Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 9:53 am |
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Yes, it's the CotYK pack and I think you're right, it's supposed to double as the character pack. It is a bit annoying to find that you're left with 27 Avatars just to fill the exarch/autarch stands though, all the other c-packs are completly usable.
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Post subject: Shagrats Skyboyz Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 10:35 am |
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Post subject: Shagrats Skyboyz Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 10:42 am |
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