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GlynG

Post subject: Epic SG campaign.

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:22 am

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I could really do with some advice on how UK customs works and whether the following sounds fair - basically I recently placed an order with US mail order to get hold of a load of old epic bits before they stopped selling them. I bought a fair amount of stuff ? approximately 550 bits but since they were small and light I didn?t expect to have to pay too much. I also knew it would be expensive to post over but I wasn?t expecting to have to pay customs charges on top, and certainly not to the level of fees their asking for ? I?ve received a letter asking for an extra ?97 ($181 for you americans out there) in customs charges!

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Apparantly thats made up of ?customs vat? of ?84.27 and ?clearance fee? of ?13.50.

Is that a mistake, have they overcharged me or is that what I should expect to pay?

If thats right then why is it so much, is it based on the value of the goods, the weight or a combination of the two?

What can I do about it now (I really can?t afford to pay the fees),
the letter says if they are not paid by 21 days the item will get posted back to the sender ? could I do that and ask US mail order for the money I paid for the order back maybe?

Or if its due to weight could I ask them to post it over in several small parcels rather than one big one? Would that help?...

Anyone else in the UK ordered US before, did this happen to you too?

Thanks in advance for any help or replies (quite stressed and not sure what to do about it)

Glyn

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Sam Coles

Post subject: Epic SG campaign.

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:29 am

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VAT, 17.5%

Payable if the goods are worth more than ?18.

?480?? Ouch, that's not some small order you made!

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GlynG

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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:40 am

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Ah... I actually work with GW and we get a certain discount on own products, I really can't talk about it but the price I paid was a reasonable bit less than it would have cost me otherwise. Thats how I was able to afford to by so much basically, accept I'm now wondering how much they declared the stuff to be worth on the customs forms - would they have put the value I paid for it? Or the value it'd cost normally?...

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Binky

Post subject: Epic SG campaign.

Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 10:22 am

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You should pay VAT at 17.5% plus import duty which is probably about 2.5% (it varies between different things), this would be paid on the whole amount of the order including postage. Then there's the administration charge, which seems fairly high in this case.

I would have thought they should have declared the value you paid rather than the actual value.

Hopefully that will give you some idea as to whether what you've been charged is correct, I believe there's some sort of appeal system if you believe you have been overcharged.

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Jimbo

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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 11:25 am

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You may find these links useful

http://www.hmce.gov.uk/public/shopping/shopping.htm

http://www.hmce.gov.uk/forms/notices/143.htm#P180_11274

Duty is charged on the price paid for the goods including any local sales taxes plus postage, packing and insurance costs.

This is charged as a percentage of the value. The percentage varies depending on the type of goods and their country of origin.

Basically you can query the charge, but from the sounds of it it might not do much good.

Of course GW US may accept the order back.

I would have thought they should have declared the value you paid rather than the actual value.

Duty is charged as a percentage of the actual value the goods are worth, not what you paid for them, as gifts are subject to duty as well and you generally don't pay for them!

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Red Pendrigh

Post subject: Epic SG campaign.

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 8:15 pm

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Looking at the Gargant and the Stompa mob (3 Stompas and a Supa-Stompa) it seems that the Stompas have superior firepower and close combat capabilities for significantly fewer points.
The only thing which actually sticks out about the Gargant seems to be the Power fields and number of hit points.
Are the Gargants best used as damage sponges and does that justify an extra 175 points?

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Markconz

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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 8:56 pm

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One thing to remember is that as soon as you start taking damage with your Stompa mob, your firepower downgrades, whereas the Gargant will probably have all its firepower every turn of the game - unless your opponent is really set on destroying it. Remember it only takes 1 blast marker to suppress all a stompas firepower.

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Ork Dreadnought

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Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 8:57 pm

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Popular opinion seems to be that if you are just looking for raw, brutal, fire power the Supa Stompa and mob is a better deal than a standard gargant.

For all other purposes, the gargant is either as good as or better than the stompa mob. For example, its high number of damage points, 3+ FF and 3+ CC make it better in an assualt.

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Red Pendrigh

Post subject: Epic SG campaign.

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2004 11:41 pm

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I see, the stompas are more of an all round unit then.
At present I am working towards this horde:

Ripskar's Warhorde:

Ripskar's Raiderz; [840]
4 Nobz, 16 Boyz, 8 Grotz, 4 Gunwagonz, 2 Battlefortresses

Gutsnik's Kommandos; [500]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, 12 Kommandos

Stormboyz; [250]
10 Stormboyz

Stormboyz; [250]
10 Stormboyz

Gorwazza's Bikerz; [350]
12 Warbikes, 4 Skorchas

Ghazdreg's Blitzerz; [520]
8 Gunwagonz, 2 Gunfortresses

Coggy Da Bastid's Stompas; [475]
3 Stompas, 1 Supa-stompa

Dregmag's Kannonz [475]
15 Big Gunz, 3 Oddboyz

Wizzdakka's Fightaz; [200]
4 Fighta-bommas

Urgwaaa's Fightaz; [200]
4 Fighta-bommas

Landa; [200]

Landa; [200]

Gargant; [650]

Gargant; [650]

Total: [5760]

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CrimsonFury

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Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 8:20 am

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Both formations have their uses. Don't underestimate how useful the extra damage capacity is on a gargant.

Extra damage capacity gives more than just making it hard to kill:
Increases number of CC attacks
Increases number of FF attacks
Increases the amount of blast markers it can absorb before becoming supressed\broken
Increases how many models it can engage in CC
Increases how many models it can barge aside in CC

Combined with the boost the toughness the extra DC and power fields give, gargants can absorb heaps of damage, meaning it won't go down unless your opponenet makes a concentrated effort to take it out.

Also remember that since supa stompas are warengines, they can be picked out from a stompa mob. And if the supa stompa is killed in one turn, that would inflict enough blast markers to break the remaining stompa formation.

Then again, a stompa mobz plus supa stompa is 475 points and gargants are 650, and the stompa mob has more firepower. Depends how much points you have spare and how you're going to use the formation.

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Red Pendrigh

Post subject: Epic SG campaign.

Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2004 4:02 pm

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Certainly, the aspect I missed were differences in FF/CC dice rolls. 2 Gargants are definately appearing in the Horde.

Revision of Armylist, according to available minis.

Ripskar's Raiderz; [840]
4 Nobz, 16 Boyz, 8 Grotz, 4 Gunwagonz, 2 Battlefortresses

Gutsnik's Kommandos; [500]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, 12 Kommandos

'Uge Warband; [575]
6 Nobz, 21 Boyz, 9 Grotz

Warband; [250]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, 2 Killa Kanz

Warband; [250]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, 2 Killa Kanz

Warband; [250]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, 2 Killa Kanz

Stormboyz; [300]
12 Stormboyz

Gorwazza's Bikerz; [350]
12 Warbikes, 4 Skorchas

Ghazdreg's Blitzerz; [520]
8 Gunwagonz, 2 Gunfortresses

Coggy Da Bastid's Stompas; [475]
3 Stompas, 1 Supa-stompa

Dregmag's Kannonz [475]
15 Big Gunz, 3 Oddboyz

Wizzdakka's Fightaz; [200]
4 Fighta-bommas

Urgwaaa's Fightaz; [200]
4 Fighta-bommas

Fightaz; [200]
4 Fighta-bommas

Landa; [200]

Landa; [200]

Landa; [200]

Gargant; [650]

Gargant; [650]

Total: [7285]

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Markconz

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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 6:45 am

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Like the title says.... the pdf can be found on the official website.

We were looking at it today and were thinking about giving it a go... anyone else had similar thoughts?

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vanvlak

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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2004 8:59 am

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Only if you can play it solo....

ok, sorry, yes, I thought it would be fun, but there's no-one around.

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dafrca

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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 1:04 am

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Quote (vanvlak @ 30 2004 Oct.,00:59)

Only if you can play it solo....

ok, sorry, yes, I thought it would be fun, but there's no-one around.

There is a yahoo group dedicated to people who, for various reasons, must play Wargames alone.

I think it was the "Lone Wolves" was the name. Made for some interesting reading.

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primarch

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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 1:22 am

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Hi!

You got a link to that Dafrca?

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