Thanks! And good point. Have been back and forth about this, and would prefer the list to be fairly rigid (cuts down on the possible variations = easier playtest). Maybe leaning towards having Lesser Daemon Engines being one for every Battle titan Formation and Greater Daemon Formation. Don't want the Greater Daemon Engines to become too dominant in the list.



Yes, this is intentional.



Good point. A name change on those is done. For now, I'm following the E-UK list pretty closely, but it may become an hybrid as time goes on. The woes of having different variations!



Yes, that's the intention. Will write it out.



Yes, that's the only AA. Maybe it turns out that taking the Temple isn't worth it, and then I'll have to reconsider.



For a while I had that restriction, but removed it as I thought the penalty from the Faction rule was enough. Might put it back again in some form, but don't want the list to become *too* rigid. Have to buy a lot of armies and see what cheese I can find.



The Defilers look a lot like those in Lost and the Damned, and are intended for garrisons... But I agree, 10cm might be too harsh. Losing Walker could be an interesting alternative... Not having March is pretty bad as well.

Thanks for the feedback!

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Thanks for the answers!

Due to Death Guard testing its going to be a while before I can get a game in, but I'll certainly be doing some list-building before then, while keeping an eye out for anything that looks particularly good or bad. I may be able to do an Army Forge entry, but no guarantees.

Factions - I particularly like that you've applied this according to the old Realm of Chaos alignments of Khorne vs Slaanesh and Nurgle vs Tzeentch, very flavourful.

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Another one that looks like a typo - you have the Emperor Titan as 15cm/5+/4+/4+ but as far as I'm aware the standard profile is 15cm/4+/4+/3+

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Not a typo. I want to try and make the chaos emperor titan slightly less overwhelming than the loyalist emperor titan, and to make it come in at or under 1000 points. My group is not so fond of the loyalist version (they think it's too big for a 3000 points battle) and I agree to some extent. Even with 5+ armour, it ought to be pretty darn hard to kill.

Also, combined with daemons, some configurations will probably be even better than the loyalist version in CC and FF, so there's some balancing to be done there as well.

That being said, I'm open to other ways of achieving this objective!

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Aye. I've got the list working on a local copy of Army Forge, but need to upload it for Adam.

Still theoryhammer, but I think the Temple needs a boost, even if it's just adding AP and AT to the AA gun. It's not just that you're losing two gun slots to it, but it also puts severe restrictions on Support Weapons as most of them are Carapace-mounted. For Undivided, the only Support Weapon option is the slow-firing Quake Cannon.

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Great! How does one go about updating it?



I agree. Just made all support weapons arm & carapace... Except for the Tzeentch Beam of Change which I think is by far the best of the lot. The Temple now also have Ignore Cover in FF.

Undivided can also take the Warp and Vortex missiles. But perhaps they need some other type of "Undivided Only" option.

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Army Forge - I upload the files, Adam or kyussinchains merges them into the main set of files and then at some point they get copied across to the main site. It might still be a few weeks.

Support Weapons - sorry for not being clearer, I meant that if the Templle was taken then the only possible Suiport Weapon for Undivided was the Quake Cannon equivalent as the only arm mount one. Making the missiles arm or carapace makes it a lot more manageable.

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Ok, post updated with version 1.1

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Chosen of Chaos - I'm confused, shouldn't this available for Warlords as well? At the moment it's only available on Reavers which means you can have a Reaver with two Support Weapons, but a Warlord can only have one.

Back to the Temple and Shrine again - do they follow the usual Fixed Forward fire arc for Carapace mounts? That'll make their AA fire almost useless as aircraft will just go round the back.

Tails - the Banelord of Khorne has worse stats (FF4+) than the Undivided Warlord, but the Undivided gets an extra tail even though it's already better? Similar for the Emperor-class.

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No, Reavers are normally not allowed to have Support weapons, so with Chosen of Chaos one Reaver can have a maximum of one.

Primary reason it's Reavers only is because only allowing 1 Support weapon on Warlords makes it more sensible to take an Emperor titan. Second reason it is Reavers only is because it allows people to run 2 Reavers without having 2 BTS (they still don't get a Supreme tho, and it's Undivided Only, so it's OK.) Third reason is I'm a bit concerned about making it too easy for people to show up with too many Warp Missiles =-)



Should naturally be all round. Will clarify this.



The thinking was that the Undivided titans have access to less weapon options than other titans, and are generally much worse at summoning daemons (costs twice as much). But perhaps that's already reflected in the stats, and maybe there are not enough "Undivided Only" options (in version 1.2) that it's not needed. Will think about it.

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Ah, my mistake on the Support Weapons, I'd misread it as 'Battle Titans' being able to get one, not 'Warlord Titans'.

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Version 1.2 is up.

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Really liking the shape this list is taking! So many choices!

Hertik temple feels a little bit to good though with 4xAA4+, maybe 4xAA5+ Is a little more sensible?ä

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Thanks! Always thought chaos lists should be a bit like this =-)



Well, it takes up 2 carapace hardpoints, and so replaces two other battle weapons. On a Warlord that means no Beam of Change, and only a close combat weapon or Feral weapon besides whatever Support weapon you buy.
If it was 4xAA5+ it would make more sense to just buy 2 Heretek Shrines (which take 1 carapace hardpoint) and spread out the AA over more titans.

I agree it's good tho, maybe too good.

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It's pretty tame compared to the old Warmonger's 8xAA5+ plus a Fighter.

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