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Post subject: IG SHT Regt  Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:39 am |
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Also, as L4 and others have said many many times, you can change the rules as you see fit. If you want to allow Manitcores and Basilisks in the same formation to be able to fire without losing the Manticore's Disrupt ability, then make it a house rule. Problem solved! 
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Post subject: IG SHT Regt Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 3:09 am |
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I find it difficult to justify the artillery company in a 2700pt army. IMO, it's just too difficult to protect against anyone except orks. I find the strategy rating of 2 means I usually end up on the wrong side of some Whirlwinds or a thunderhawk or some terminators before I can do anything.
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Post subject: IG SHT Regt Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 5:44 am |
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That Damned Legion 4! ?
He's a...  no wait! ?
Anyway, we never liked the Strategy Rating concept, some armies start out at a disadvantage by using it...
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Post subject: IG SHT Regt Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 2:43 pm |
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| Quote (Serps @ 09 2004 Mar.,02:09) | | I find it difficult to justify the artillery company in a 2700pt army. IMO, it's just too difficult to protect against anyone except orks. I find the strategy rating of 2 means I usually end up on the wrong side of some Whirlwinds or a thunderhawk or some terminators before I can do anything. |
Is this a problem others have found?
If so then I might struggle to protect 2 SHT Companies AND the Artillery Company. At the moment I have 4 Sentinel squadrons for screening the 2 SHT Companies from being swamped in close combat.
I might then have to think about getting a secong mech.Inf.Company and leave the Artillery Company until I expand the army beyond 2,700 points.
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James
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Post subject: IG SHT Regt Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 4:49 pm |
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Field Guns, howitzers, etc. are organized in Artillery Batteries (Infantry in Companies, and Cav in Troops). Field Artillery (FA) comes in 6-8 guns per Battery (Bty). ?We have guns organized in 2 gun sections or 3-4 gun platoons. ?An FA Bty usually supports an Infantry or Tank Bn (600 + Troops or 30-50 AFVs, respectively). ?So in Epic if you have an FA Bty supporting an Infantry or Tank Co. you are lucky (!). ?That is why we always pick/buy FA in Sections or Platoons. ? ?FYI ... 
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Post subject: IG SHT Regt Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2004 11:56 pm |
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Hi!
I agree with L4, I dont like strategy ratings. Placing mechanics that induce a disparity in a game that should be level between forces is not my cup of tea.
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Post subject: IG SHT Regt Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:31 am |
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The "strategy rating" should be the ability of the gamers playing. Not by the army being played, as I said before, there are other ways to show a force's tactical predilections and abilities, and not "saddling" them with being the guy who always get shot at first.
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Post subject: IG SHT Regt Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:35 am |
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Hmm maybe just leave it to a simple 2d6 roll for each side, no modifiers?
As for the artillery company in a 2700 point game, I agree that any opposing force would find them a very juicy target. While that could have benefits in distraction value, it would probably be better to have a couple of batteries instead of a whole company. 
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Post subject: IG SHT Regt Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:46 am |
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We each just roll a d6 at the beginning of every turn. ?And as I said, an FA Battery (not company), may be too big of an organization for most Epic games. ?And if an FA Bty is deployed, it's platoons would be dispersed anyway. ? Not hub to hub like the way the U.S.S.R. use to do it and present a tempting target for an airstike. ?And yes a couple of Gun Platoons probably would work better ... and generally that's the way we have been doing.
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Post subject: IG SHT Regt Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:27 am |
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| Quote (wargame_insomniac @ 09 2004 Mar.,23:43) | Is this a problem others have found?
If so then I might struggle to protect 2 SHT Companies AND the Artillery Company. At the moment I have 4 Sentinel squadrons for screening the 2 SHT Companies from being swamped in close combat.
I might then have to think about getting a secong mech.Inf.Company and leave the Artillery Company until I expand the army beyond 2,700 points.
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To really protect an artillery company, you need at least an entire flak battery, and a flak upgrade to the company wouldn't go astray either. Then, you'll probably want some screening troops, so you'll be looking at another 100 points for some sentinels, all the way up to 250 points for an inf coy if you set up on your baseline objective and are worried about defending it. So, it's easy to blow upwards of 1000 points on 1 company that is still a bit fragile no matter what.
In < 4000pt games, I tend to just field an artillery battery or two (or get some bombers if I'm paranoid about thunderhawk assaults). 250 points is still a decent price, and I have the option of manticores, basilisks, or bombards, plus extra activations.
I'd consider upgrading one of the sentinels to rough riders. They're just as effective for screening, but they fare OK if they assault as well, so you might like to retain the option to use them offensively, with the SHTs providing supporting fire. Plus, the first strike ability can help to remove units from CC with your tanks if you're assaulted.
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Post subject: IG SHT Regt Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2004 3:18 am |
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So no matter what you call it, I think we are talking about the same thing. Using smaller artillery units (3 guns) instead on one big unit, (9 guns). And of course with the advent of aircraft in Epic, the paradigm shifted again and ADA/AAA, ie. Flak units had to be brought into the mix/game. And a powerful FA unit is a perfect target for an airstrike. So the need for Flak is imperative ...
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Post subject: IG SHT Regt Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 3:06 pm |
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Hi Everyone,
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As many of you might know, I plan to host a big E-A game in september at the Conquest gaming convention. I have written out many of my plans below and am looking for advice and a "melding" of our minds to make my scenario a really good one. I would greatly appreciate any feedback.
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Conquest is during Labor Day weekend: Friday, Sept. 3rd to Monday, Sept. 6th in the Bay Area (near San Francisco), USA.
If you want to run a game, you need to submit by 31 July 2004.
You also get cheaper ticket rates if you buy them early ($30.00 USD) and I think there is an additional discount or it's free for running a game.
I put in a link for the Conquest web site so you can get further
details.
Just in case:
http://www.con-quest.com/
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I've been playing with the scenario, but right now, it's a sort of a free-for-all with mystery objectives that each player has to recover as many as possible throughout SF and the Golden Gate Park. I wanted the game to be able to accomodate many different forces. I plan to bring at least four of my armies so I can provide loaner forces. Right now, I'm planning the game for four to eight players.
*** How many players is optimal for a convetion E-A game? ***
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Team-play often times stagnates.
*** What does everyone think? IS team-play desirable or a free-for-all? ***
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I need to get some foam and carve out some hills and then do some texturing. It's a very realistic goal with CONQUEST still a month away.
*** I'm also probably going to be short on trees. Have any extras? Maybe even K&Ms? ***
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I have a lot of buildings and already have several blocks of
Victorians built. I have lots of other structures as well.
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I already have four well-painted armies (and another six or so that aren't so well-painted as well as possibly more when I find them) so that's fine. Most of the guys will also share with me if I need them.
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*** Do you think a 4'x6' or 4'x8' map is better? ***
I'm planning on a 4'x8' map.
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Shalom,
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Post subject: IG SHT Regt Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:18 pm |
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Hmmm... there was a neat scenario in W/D during the SM2/TL era. We played it, and liked it. IG vs. Chaos looking for active Warp Gates on a jungle planet. Not sure what issue?  ? ? ?
I think a 4'x 8' table is better. Gives units room to maneuver and not just run into the center and go into close combat.
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Post subject: IG SHT Regt Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:26 pm |
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With 4 to 8 players an 8' x 4' table will be essential I think, those tenement buildings of your mates are brilliant by the way.
Sounds like it's going to be a whole lotta fun. Now all I have to do is find a ticket to San Fran.....
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Post subject: IG SHT Regt Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 4:44 pm |
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Hi Justin,
With 4 to 8 players an 8' x 4' table will be essential I think, those tenement buildings of your mates are brilliant by the way. |
Where did you see the tenement buildings?
I'm curious even though I know I've put up a good amount of battle reports and the like.
Sounds like it's going to be a whole lotta fun. Now all I have to do is find a ticket to San Fran..... |
If you find a way, I'll find you a place. My couch must have your name on it...
Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
