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Organization of the Core Rules from a newbie's perspective

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I don't understand why we don't just use 'stand' for infantry. That was the term from SM2 after all. For everything else, just use model.


I agree.

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But a stand doesn't just cover infantry, you have dreadnoughts, bikes, skimmers, armoured suits.
Sure it is fine for us old hands as we know what it is supposed to mean, but if we have the chance to streamline things in the platinum update then why shouldn't we.


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Mattman wrote:
But a stand doesn't just cover infantry, you have dreadnoughts, bikes, skimmers, armoured suits.
Sure it is fine for us old hands as we know what it is supposed to mean, but if we have the chance to streamline things in the platinum update then why shouldn't we.


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I have to agree. Outside us old hands, people coming from outside epic, find that term confusing. Probably not as egregious as "unit", but a "stand" is pretty ambiguous given how many things that are not infantry are on "stands".

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As much as I personally don't like the term "stand", using that would in reality be no worse than using "element", as you would still have to specify "Infantry Element" when one would otherwise say "Infantry Stand". Same with Walkers, Cavalry, and Light Artillery. One would either be saying "Cavalry Stand" or "Cavalry Element". The only benefit to using "stand" is that it is fewer letters. The only benefit to using "element" would be using the same word for everything.

The alternative could be to have terms that are clearly defined at the beginning of the rule book. The terms would be:

Stand: This term is used to refer to Infantry, Cavalry, Walker, and Light Artillery class troops as these generally consist of more than one piece mounted on a small base of plastic, cardstock, or coin, and are thus on a "stand". Some Infantry, Light Artillery, and most Walkers are a single piece, but are still referred to as a Stand.

Model: This term is used to refer to Vehicle (including Flyer and Super Heavy sub-categories), Heavy Artillery, Knight, Praetorian, and Titan class troops as these are generally not mounted on or attached to a base, with the exception of Titans which are (almost) always mounted on a base.

Element: This term may be used to refer to troops that would fall under either of the above terms when the exact type does not matter. For example, the rules on Break Point would refer to Elements as the exact type does not matter for those purposes. However, when discussing Terrain, the rules would state that Infantry Stands may freely enter a building, but Models (with certain rare exceptions) may not; or that Stands may enter Wooded areas, but Models may not.

Doing this could also help simplify certain other areas of the rules. For example, the Howling Banshee special rules would not have to refer to "... Infantry, Cavalry, Walker, and Light Artillery with no Save ..." but could instead say "... Stands with no Save ..." thus saving a little space without losing any clarity.

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I approve of this Magnus!

Another new player on facebook seemed to be struggling with the rules. Will the revisions for Gold be able to include a turn overview early on in the rules Primarch? I think this will help clarify things for people new to the game.

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I approve of this Magnus!

Another new player on facebook seemed to be struggling with the rules. Will the revisions for Gold be able to include a turn overview early on in the rules Primarch? I think this will help clarify things for people new to the game.


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There is no rewrite for gold. Just errata/omissions update. The best that could be done is a PDF with such a summary.

Altering the original Gold files is tricky since I am not that proficient with adobe indesign.

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Magnus has put into words what I was thinking in response to the comments which followed mine about using the term 'stand'. 'Stand' always referred to anything mounted on the old square bases, so that's how we make it clear. The only difference is that rectangular bases are not permitted as well, but that's covered by the way in which Magnus has worded the explanation.

I'm not convinced that we need element myself. I think that the explanations for unit types and terrain make it clear about which units can enter which terrain pieces.

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primarch wrote:
The Bissler wrote:
I approve of this Magnus!

Another new player on facebook seemed to be struggling with the rules. Will the revisions for Gold be able to include a turn overview early on in the rules Primarch? I think this will help clarify things for people new to the game.


Hi!

There is no rewrite for gold. Just errata/omissions update. The best that could be done is a PDF with such a summary.

Altering the original Gold files is tricky since I am not that proficient with adobe indesign.

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A PDF summary seems like a good idea. I'm concerned that new players are struggling with the rules so hopefully that will help them get to grips with the basics.

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Hi!

I can't do much with Gold since I have to uphold the promise of a "static" version.

I suspect we can do a lot more with Platinum, in content and organization.

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