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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica  Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:56 pm |
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i think it is a mistake to remove the character models. ?I love them, they add spice and variety even if there aren't any rules for some of them. ?Rank and file is boring, and nothing is more cheesy than a tactical marine with a banner on him. ?I think this will just make the Epic40k ones worth more. ?I think when players do get the new sprues they'll think they are boring. ?I think the Epic40k ones are just the best period.
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:02 pm |
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As I said, we use each Tech, Lib., etc. on a separate stand as in SM2. We even use Pain Boy/Mad Doc., Mekboy, Warphead, Weird Boy, etc. for Orks, and Cypher for Chaos. Just use your imagination. We do use Shokk Attack Gunz as Big Gunz ... an easy fix ... 
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:17 pm |
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| Quote (Shadow Hunter @ 14 2003 Nov.,15:32) | | I know Jervis had to abstract a little for the Orks, but surely it wouldn't have been hard to have a painboy as an upgrade 0-1 giving invulnerable to the Nobz/warlord stand. ?And so on for Weirdboyz etc. |
There was a painboy upgrade, but for 50 points for an oddboy, it just wasn't worth it. Even if it had added a MW attack and invulnerability, it still would have been better to just buy more nobz/boyz for the points. Heck, even with MW, invulnerability, reinforced armor, and thick rear armor, it still would have been better.
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:54 pm |
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Hey Primarch:
Unfortunately, I am afraid I must admit that you are dangerously close to being right with respect to GW's Epic release in the US.
It appears that, at most, the GW stores will be carrying rulebooks but probably not, and independent stores are as far as I know unable to even do mail order. Apparently, Canada has different rules and the indies can order so that's something. Oz's problems are well-documented, of course.
The UK is going to be the only market with a strong element of support. I hope it remains sufficient to continue marketing the game.
I have to admit that I am the most pessimistic about EAs chances of acceptance that I have been since I started playtesting over a year ago.
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 7:58 pm |
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Apparently the GW near where I live here in Canada will be stocking small amounts of everything available, at least for a little while.
Supposedly that's what happened for Necromunda too, but that only had one shipment of rulebooks and apparently they can't get it in anymore for some reason.
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:13 pm |
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Boy it is a good thing that the stuff is too expensive for me to afford, or I might have been majorly bummed out. 
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:32 pm |
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hmmm where did that intel come from?
Still US Mail order will just continue the way they did with the epic archives. Although inconvenient its still a source right?
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 8:55 pm |
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Hi!
Neal, the few retail contacts I still have back your observations. Decisions regarding what non-core games will be stock in GW stores in the US, has always been, in my experience, highly dependent on the store manager. Remember thier job depends on good sales so taking shelf space or other resources to promote or sell a non-core game is risky. Many store owners dont have the guts for that sort of thing and play it safe and sell 40k or fantasy.
Now the REAL problem is not what GW stores do. The problem is that it won't be available through anyone BUT GW. Too little exposure will be given to the game.
Will UK sales and support be enough? Don't know, but my guess is no. Remember each GW region (US, UK, Europe, etc) makes thier own decisions regarding what they make available. If it does well in the UK, it may mean anyone who wants epic has to order to the UK, since GWUS may decide not support it.
While it good for old timers to have it available, even when it means mail order to the UK, it will kill local interest to any markets outside the UK.
Also, since independent stores in the US cannot get it, what incentive does the store owner have to let you demo the game in his stores? He can't profit from it, thus he wont be interested.
GWUS is making a lot of dubious decisions of late. The ban on internet sales and such issues like with epic show that GWUS is concentrating on high profitability ventures like 40 or fantasy of LOTR's.
Good for business.....
...not so good for epic.
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 9:03 pm |
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Quick update, according to a US retailer on the playtest boards, indies can get it, but they have to go through a different channel and the margins are considerably lower than on the standard retail distribution.
Still, nearly the same.
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2004 9:12 pm |
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Hi!
Hmmm....interesting. I try to get more information on that point.
But profit margins buying from GW direct are already getting lower, to make them even lower AND adding another distribution channel separate from regular GW, means not many store owners are going to bother.
I used to retail and beleive me too many distribution channels, besides being a hassle, mean more minimums to meet for each order and more money in shipping costs.
It seems they are going out of their way to make sure only GW gets to sell it in the US.
Bummer....
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 6:20 am |
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Primarch has a pretty good record with this Epic/Retail stuff. As long as I can call the Trolls (as I have been doing for over 10 years) and get Epic delivered to my door, I don't have a problem with it. Very little G/W stuff is carried at the shops in my hometown, let alone Epic !  I don't think G/W believes E:A is going to be the "Main Event" or ever will ... Just so they give it enough support to keep it alive and I (we) can get it through MO, I feel is the best we can hope for ... 
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 8:08 am |
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The local independet store here isn't going to stock any Epic minis. They got a couple of copies of the rulebook and that's it.  Of course, it's no problem for me to order from GWUK, but I was hoping to see _some_ activity around epic. I won't be seeing any. I don't know whether the GW store in Helsinki will be carrying Epic but I doubt it. And I don't much care; it's not going to save me much in postage over ordering direct from UK.
I guess I'll try to cut my losses and try to buy any epic I can from locals who used to play it. 
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Post subject: Apologia Primarchica Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2004 10:36 am |
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| Quote (Mojarn Piett @ 19 2004 Feb.,08:08) | The local independet store here isn't going to stock any Epic minis. They got a couple of copies of the rulebook and that's it. ? ?Of course, it's no problem for me to order from GWUK, but I was hoping to see _some_ activity around epic. I won't be seeing any. I don't know whether the GW store in Helsinki will be carrying Epic but I doubt it. And I don't much care; it's not going to save me much in postage over ordering direct from UK.
I guess I'll try to cut my losses and try to buy any epic I can from locals who used to play it. ? |
Same here - the two local stores who get GW stuff seem to be uninterested. MO it will have to be - 2nd hand epic is practically nonexistent here.
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