Sad to hear you're not continuing to develop the list for whatever reason Pulsar, but thanks for all your efforts till now!

Since the ERC and Pulsar appear to be behind the reduction could we maybe get a small update to the list at some point in the not too distant future please to change Crusaders (Tacticals) here to 275 points?

If so I fancy trying something different and using a 'ground pounder' Templars list with zero aircraft and 3-4 Tactical detachments at the Winter Warmer tournament next month. The sort of build I have in mind would only really be viable with the decreased price but it'd need to be official.

We're reviewing the list for the SM compendium. The stats will be updated to the agreed upon standards, e.g. the final LRC stats, and barring list-specific considerations, unit and formation costs will as well.

Ok, thanks. Hope it might be done in time!

How many point are Land Raiders meant to be in the list by the way? 100 seems steep for a Crusader now they've lost the multi-melta and it's certainly over-priced for a standard Land Raider. Should they be 75 points each? (or at least +100 per Crusader +75 per Land Raider if the Crusader is still thought to worth that much?). They're down as 85 in the Compendium which may indicate a change.

75 seems to be the prevailing rate.

Would adding Devastators to the list and making the Champ 0-1 (instead of compulsory) be out of the question? I realize it runs counter to the fluff (at least there are no Devs in the 4e codex), but it looks interesting to use as a list even though I'm not a fan of the Black Templar fluff.

It's a black templars list, so there won't be devastators.

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Ugh, I get that GW has ownership of their IP and the right to change their lore at any time to suit their needs, but the first one of my Initiates to pick up a lascannon is getting summarily executed by the Crusade's Chaplain. -_-

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That's really irrelevant, the Epic list shouldn't include them.

Epic variant lists give themed in particular directions and have limitations as well as just new units. We know there are White Scars Devestators, Dreadnoughts and Vindictors for example, yet the Epic list is themed around fast moving units and doesn't include any of these (with the exception of the Vindicator being available only as an upgrade for Whirlwinds which effectively means they won't be taken). With the Epic Black Templars list being themed around an air assault close combat army Devestators and Whirlwinds are less appropriate and should stay out.

There's another issue that needs fixing though. The existing Black Templars background (see [url=http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Templars]the Black Templars wikipedia article) is very clear that the chapter don't have any Librarians however due to their distrust of the warp and hatred of psykers so this option should really be removed from the Epic list. I wonder whether it was meant to be not included, I don't have the old list as the download doesn't work anymore and it could be an error them being included in the Compendium list (it wouldn't be the only mistake - I notice the Compendium mistakenly has Black templars Thunderhawk Transporters costed at 100 each when this thread clearly has them a more reasonable cost of 250 for 2 and 350 for 3).