As of now all army lists are in, checked, legal and no mistakes! ...except for mine.



In a way, that was the point. To provide players with different army list restrictions to 'normal' tournament play.
It means in one game out of five there will be no big titans, canny players may tailor their 750pts knowing it doesn't have to take down a big titan, whilst their 1000pts is likely to face one.

I can't think of an army list off-hand that has no formations worth 150pts or less, or that cannot be played without a big titan.

I recommend the Britcon 4000pts standard tournament as an excellent big titan-fest!

Oh I agree that at 4000 points, Britcon tends to bring out the big boys.

As to BoTCH, splitting the list into separate parts does provide a refreshing alternative to the usual tourney event and I am really looking forward to the 1st game with the escalating forces. Indeed it would be nice to bring in other scenarios provided they are proved to be appropriately balanced.

However, as the tournament rules stand at the moment, a few races cannot take the largest (850 point) titan because doing so would waste the remaining 150 points. This seems to be a constraint too far, though it is also easily remedied.

Wait, is this wraithgate gonna creep onto the table 5cm turn 2 of meeting engagement? What's it's initiative rating anyway?

Also: Armylist:

BATTLE FORCE 2,000 POINTS

TANK COMPANY [525]
6 Leman Russ Executioner, Leman Russ Command Tank, Hydra

TANK COMPANY [525]
6 Leman Russ Demolisher, Leman Russ Command Tank, Hydra

MEDIUM ARTILLERY SUPPORT [250]
3 Basilisks

LIGHT ARTILLERY SUPPORT [100]
3 Griffons

LIGHT ARTILLERY SUPPORT [100]
3 Griffons

SUPER-HEAVY TANK PLATOON [200]
Shadowsword

THUNDERBOLT FIGHTERS [150]
2 Thunderbolts

THUNDERBOLT FIGHTERS [150]
2 Thunderbolts




RESERVE PRIMUS 750 POINTS

TANK COMPANY [450]
6 Leman Russ Executioner, Hydra

SUPER-HEAVY TANK PLATOON [200]
Shadowsword

LIGHT ARTILLERY SUPPORT [100]
3 Griffons



RESERVE SECUNDUS 1,000 POINTS

REGIMENTAL HQ [750]
Ulani HQ Command Tank, 9 Leman Russ, Hydra

LIGHT ARTILLERY SUPPORT [100]
3 Griffons

FLAK SUPPORT [150]
3 Hydra

Getting this all to be legal was "fun", mainly due to the 2 support per core and expensive core formations of Ulani normally you can fix this by taking a couple of warhounds that don't take up support slots as well, but no titan support for Ulani!

Anyway, looking forward to the one game I have 2 BTS formations

Can you provide a specific example?



As per pg 5 of the rulespack, Army Specific Clarifications, the webway is deployed at the start of the game as normal but cannot be used to bring troops onto the board until turn 2! Remember this if you face it!

Don't worry Simon... I read your rulespack - and very well thought out it was.


Out of curiosity... what was wrong in your list?


I did have one comment/question - for game one, if you have an empty transport flyer in the main battle group (you do not assign a formation to it), and a ground formation in reserve, can you use the transport flyer in turn one and, if it returns home safely, transport the reserve formation in on turn two? I'd say not... since formations must be assigned to transport aircraft in setup.
Just a random thing I thought of, doesn't affect my army build at all.


Looking forward to it.

Simon (of the W variety)

I worked my list out on Microsoft Excel perfectly legally. I then typed it into a word document and for posting on forums wrong. I put the Hive Nest at 380pts instead of 280pts and mistyped an Assault Swarm at 200 instead of 220.

In the Reserve Formations box.

If you put a Reserve formation in the transport aircraft it cannot show up until turn 2, as the Reserve Formation cannot show up until turn 2. If in doubt when juggling units, there is no secret way to get a Reserve Formation onto the board before turn 2,

There's a Rules Pack ?

Eldar

• Iyanden: - must take a Spirit host (350) before taking a Guardian host, and cheapest
• Ulthwe:- Black Guardian host is 175

Imperial Guard

• Steel Legion IG:- Infantry company is 250
• Krieg IG:- Infantry company is 300

Black Legion

• Black Legion :- Retinue is 275
• Death Guard :- Retinue is 325
• Emperors Children :- Retinue is 275
• Thousand Sons:- Retinue is 300
• World Eaters :- Retinue is 325

Is that enough examples?

I am not saying that I have seen the large titans used in any if these lists, some of which may not have graced the tournament scene at all. But in each case the most expensive titan is 800+ and this can only be taken in the second reserve, doing which precludes the use of any other ground troops because of the list restrictions.
Note, the Iyanden may not take the Phantom (750) either and are restricted to Revenants (650) which would just allow the use of the Spirit Host

You could take the big titan with any of those lists in the 1000 + a 150 pt formation. Just put enough core formations in the 2000 to make it legal

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Oh, you didn't see special rule 4 part b, "all players named Simon are allowed twice as many points". I didn't see a problem with this, so didn't say anything.

Good spot Steve; I have just re-read the pack again to find that the reserves have to be legal when combined with the main battle force - that caused a lot of wasted effort. However, the comment still stands for the Iyanden; the cheapest formation is night spinners (175) which precludes the use of the Warlock titan at all.

Nevertheless, the pack does relegate these titans to the Secundus reserve, which thus heavily restricts the formations that can be used for the remaining 150 - 200 points. It also restricts when the 'prime' formation of the army actually appears.

So, I still think that the wording of the Battle Force should be amended to read

• The 1/3rd Titan/Aircraft limit is 917 pts.

Iyanden's cheapest formation is 100pt, for four ranger units.


The changing army is part of the fun of the scenario, as Tim mentioned, if you go with a big titan then you'll be at a disadvantage in the game without it (or may be in the game with it, due too having fewer activations), and it'll turn up late for the first game. An interesting choice to make - I personally didn't go with a titan (and neither have any of the lists posted so far... well, Simon J sort of has with his Dominatrixes).


But that's not quite right.
You get 667pt in the main battle group - which must be a legal 2000pt army,
1000pt in the main plus reserve B,
917pt in main plus reserve A,

However, the 667pt is shared, so you can't, for example, put a pair of warhounds (500pt) in Reserve A and a warlord (850pt) in Reserve B - both seemingly ok (assuming no other air/titan formations) - since you only have 1250pt when combining main and both reserves, in my example, your titan total is 1350pt, so invalid.

I know there is a Warlord and a Gargant coming, maybe more as I don't know what Gavin, Tim, Tom or Jez are taking

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Well, I went completely the other way with the following 'Popcorn' list
Biel Tan

Battle Force (2000 points)

300 Swooping Hawk Aspects
250 Falcons (2x Firestorms)
250 Falcons (2x Firestorms)
250 Falcons (2x Firestorms)
175 Night Spinners
175 Night Spinners
150 Guardians (2x Heavy Weapons)
150 Guardians (2x Heavy Weapons)
100 Rangers (4 units)
100 Rangers (4 units)
100 Rangers (4 units)

Reserve Primus (750 points)

250 Falcons (2x Firestorms)
175 Night Spinners
200 Guardians (2x Heavy Weapons) + Heavy Weapons upgrade
125 Rangers (5 units)

Reserve Secundus (1000 points)

250 Falcons (2x Firestorms)
175 Night Spinners
175 Night Spinners
150 Guardians (2x Heavy Weapons)
150 Guardians (2x Heavy Weapons)
100 Rangers (4 units)

I realise that currently the 2000 point Battle force has is Titan allocation limited to 667, I was suggesting raising it to the value for the minimum list that was playable - namely the battle force + primary reserve.