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Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures.  Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:24 pm |
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Has anyone had a go at a Daemonhunters Force List in Epic:A yet? I would like to have a look at one, it seem like a really cool force!
Plus I voted for them as well!
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Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:34 pm |
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Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 3:38 pm |
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Thought it might be eaiser to turn it into a link...
Daemonhunters
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Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:39 pm |
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my method would be to allow the Inquisitor anything... however everything is double points!
So a 3000pt Ork army would be against the equivalent 1500pt Inquisitor army.
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Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:46 pm |
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Interesting lists ... I Hope G/W does an offical version. ?We use a "hybrid" concept, for this type of unit. ?We have an =][= stand + Rhino based on an old CJ article. The stand has a Termie, SM officer, SM SGT, IG gunner & IG standard barer. ?An eclectic mix, based on fluff. ?And like SM2 Special Troops, they my be fielded 0-1 per Bn (we also have Traitor =][=s !). ?We use Gray Knight Terminators too, 4 Fire Teams (stands) per unit, 0-1 per Battle Force and may only be purchased if fighting Chaos or 'Nids ! ?Again, based on SM2 and the old fluff. ?It works and is kind of Cool ! ?But, I would like to see SoBs thrown in there somehow ... 
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Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:43 pm |
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Hi!
Do demon hunters really deserve a separate list? Discussions like this are very frequent on the net epic list. One particularly long one was regarding tech guard. The compromise was to keep them separate but in the same book with the rest of the Imperials.
Just a thought.
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Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:49 pm |
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But, I would like to see SoBs thrown in there somehow ... |
Not a bad idea. Since the SoB uses many of the same veichles the SMs do this should prove no big problem. However they would require an entire new range of infantry (I wonder what epic scale boobs look like  ...sorry!) which is pretty expensive and probably won't happen until many of the other races has been produced (oh my god, I'll probably have children by then  ).
I'm biased on this:
On one hand the Daemonhunters could be done rather inexpensively and thus easily be squeezed into the schedule.
On the other hand: to add more substance to a Daemonhunter list it would be quite appropriate to include the Adeptus Sororitas... but this would probably push back the release of the range somewhat...
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Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:50 pm |
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| Quote (primarch @ 08 2004 Jan.,09:43) | | Do demon hunters really deserve a separate list? |
Depends on what you mean by an army list.
The Inquisitor/Daemonhunters list I am working on has very little in terms of new units and rules but its mostly structural restrictions for building an Imperial army lead by an Inquisitor with Grey Knight support formations.
One of the key elements of EpicA is that Jervis is intending to create a large number of army lists based on structural restrictions that give the army a different play experience.
So an "army" like Daemonhunters is quite possible in EpicA because you can modify the base structure of the force without having to actuaally do any modifications to the consituent units that make the army up.
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Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:52 pm |
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| Quote (Warmaster Nice @ 08 2004 Jan.,09:49) | | Since the SoB uses many of the same veichles the SMs do this should prove no big problem. |
Other than issues with the background. I don't think it would fit in to have SoB units running around with Inquisitors.
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Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:56 pm |
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Do demon hunters really deserve a separate list? |
One could imagine a "Servants of the Imperium" list (or set of lists) which could include SoB, Ordo Xenos and Daemonhunters. Tech guard would probably be added to the Adeptus Mechanicus list which has been mentioned by Jervis on several occations.
The Servants of the Imperium could then be used in conjunction with other Imperial lists as the only exception to the "no allies" rule.
...Just a thought
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Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:56 pm |
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Hi!
It seems its the same conept we've used for net epic then. You have an overall "theme" say Imperials, then have the lists designed so as to make a SM, IG, SoB, Tech force, PDF, etc only armies. They are all Imperials, use similar units, similar organization, but for "character" you can field just a pure force on one of its "parts".
We did the same for the Eldar, where there are "craftworld" eldar, exodites and dark eldar, but they are all under "eldar".
So I guess demonhunters are not a "Separate independent list", but an extension of, say imperials, but you can field a pure force of it?
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Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 7:05 pm |
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| Quote (primarch @ 08 2004 Jan.,09:56) | | So I guess demonhunters are not a "Separate independent list", but an extension of, say imperials, but you can field a pure force of it? |
Depends on what you want to do with the list.
Currently there is no "Imperial" racial/base army list in Epic in the same wy that there is a base Space Marine list.
So yourt first step would be to determine what the Daemonhunter army was going to be a "race" of. I'd think that it would be an Inquisitor "race" as opposed to a more generic Imperial "race" which might be best left for an SoB/Frater army.
I don't think that the idea of a "pure" force works in EpicA outside of this idea of a base/racial army list. Special rules for the race get determined and then subsequent army lists based on that initial lists are not supposed to have any additional special rules that are not structural in nature (one of the common complaints about fan lists so far).
So if the base list for an army, say Inquisitors, was designed to have units from more than one Imperial branch (say Grey Knights, Imperial Guard and marines) then the army is still going to be a "pure" force in that it still conforms to the structure of the army.
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Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:01 am |
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Well, I think having the =][= and G/Knights attached to Main Force Armies is the way to do it. ?I really don't know how big a D/Hunter Army or Force could be ? ? They should be smaller "elite"/specialized elements attached to the IG, SMs, etc. ?And the SoBs are "Nuns with Guns", so I could see them working along side the =][= ... there is certainly an historical precedent for it ... 
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Post subject: Proxies for Epic miniatures. Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2004 6:08 am |
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| Quote (Legion 4 @ 08 2004 Jan.,21:01) | | so I could see them working the =][= ... there is certainly an historical precedent for it ... |
Not sure of the historical precedent (which bit of fluff are you referring to?) but the Adeptus Sororitas is overseen by the Adeptus Ministorum which might not want to work hand in hand with the Inquisition :-)
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