I was more thinking about how variant armies need to use the core Transport rule, such as the Raven Guard with their Cestus transports, or the Blood Angels and Grey Knights with their Storm Raven transports, rather than thinking about changes to the core codex army list.

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Gotcha, and I think I have catered for any of those eventualities in the suggested revisions to the wording.
(Note I have edited my suggestion accordingly)

Thats on the list of SM amendments currently under discussion (check the forum Matt). From last time I was in store Infiniti area has got bigger + a couple of new ranges -nemesis, sedition wars+ a larger selection of other WWII models (can't remember which company)

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Personal bugbear: Dreadnoughts should be moved to the Vehicle slots, as a Strike Cruiser is supposed to be able to carry a Battle Company plus Dreadnoughts & vehicles. It's not like Dreadnoughts would automatically become overpowered if that were done, after all.

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Hmmm Land Raiders PLUS rhinos...

Certainly Land Raiders need a boost, they're still under used.
Fluff wise the main problem is that Land Raiders happen to have a transport capacity. If they didn't have that then there wouldn't be much of a fluff problem; They would be a straight upgrade to create an expensive but though and shooty ground holding formation.

my openwar list

tacticals+rb+hunter 400
tacticals+hunter 375
warhound 275
warhound 275
devs 250
termis 350
t-hawk 200
scouts+rb 175
scouts 150
scouts 150
speeders 200
speeders 200

Well, I have not heard anything yet from Steve, so I presume that the above list is OK.

See here for my suggestions on changing the wording in the E-UK lists

Epic 2008 FAQ- Space Marine Transports 6.3.1, 2nd Answer.

-Add Land Raiders first.
-Add Rhinos to carry any Dev's not fitting in the bought Land Raiders (i.e. none).
-Upgrade Rhinos to Razorbacks.


It's one of the first things I did with Marines when trying to ground-pound, bulking out with Land Raiders is a nice touch- but I was politely informed of the FAQ answer stopping me.

One day we'll be able to bring Scions of Iron, one day.

It could be that the 1st Cmpy Vets haven't forwarded the emails to Steve yet to check Gavin

Cutting it close then aren't they.

I said the same to Yme-loc earlier in the thread

However, the way the E-UK lists are currently written, it looks like some decision has possibly been made to permit this particular option (possibly to make LRs a little more attractive). If so, you could theoretically get 4x Devs, 4x LRs and 4x Rbs for 650 pts. While undoubtably a strong formation with substantial firepower, this has a number of significant weaknesses:- it is susceptible to CC assault and to shooting (esp MW), it is limited to ground deployment and it still cannot match Leman Russ or Tau for long ranged shooting.

Indeed if this interpretation is agreed, you might yet be able to bring along your Scions of Iron .

Either way, I will be bringing the army along to OW XV, though I might have to swap the upgrades (Hunter for Rb) if this interpretation is rejected.

I've finally been forwarded nearly all the lists - emailed you Gavin

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Sent off the revised list - changed the upgrades as promised since the 'normal' interpretation has been used.

I can't see anything in the Epic UK SM list that would allow Land Raiders, the Space Marine Transports rule seems quoted word for word from the original SM list while I don't think Epic UK have overruled the Epic 2008 FAQ's....as much as we'd like otherwise in this instance.