I'm still shocked at seeing the size of Radek's (not sure if he's on this forum) thunderhawk last Tuesday at the club. Truescale or not that thing was as big as a Titan!

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Actually, APCs are more or less scaled correctly for their content. Real APCs are much smaller than you might imagine. A Rhino is a bit larger than a M113, for example, which in real life house 2 crew and 11 passenger.

It is a common misconception, but a misconception nevertheless. Even a M1 or other modern MBT IRL are about 8m long, which would translate in a model about 13cm long in wh40k; a leman russ (from dimensions on lexicanum and wikipedia respectively) is 1m shorter in length, but 2m taller and 1m wider than a M1. As it is supposed to weight about the same (60Tons), if anything the design is probably larger than it should.

What is usually wrong with just about all miniatures is the proportion of humanoid figures. To allow for details, and simply to look right, their proportions are significantly altered, mostly by enlarging the head and the hands; but even the arms of a soldier are nowhere near the size of the arms of any IG figures (not even speaking about Catachans) compared to their body. But if you actually made them right, they'd look quite puny.
Prince August "Mithril" Range of miniature (The official LOTR/Tolkien range from 1993 to the citadel licensing IIRC) tried to use real life proportions on their miniatures, and they had a very peculiar appearance compared to any other ranges (looked quite good IMHO tho), but even they had to have slightly altered proportions.

If it's the Forgeworld one, yes it's "true scale".

As pointed out by the_real_chris on the previous page, Aircraft are very large things IRL. a F15, F22 or F14 is about 19m long, which would translate as 63mm at 1/300th | 6mm scale, while a M113 APC would be only about 17mm long. A thunderbolt, comparatively short at 14.2m if lexicanum is to be believed, would be around 47mm long.
I don't have my models right here (yeah, posting on TAcCom instead of working ), but i believe that makes the FW airplane model just about right for 6mm.

But all the same I don't like the planes models to dwarf my titans models, So I am in fact very happy to see some scratch built titan being "true scale" too, and thus regaining some of that 'huge machine' feeling.

I normally mirror 40k sizes when scratchbuilding, but I have made exceptions with things like my Marines where I followed "background sizes" rather than model sizes.

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If i would design some Trench Infantry for my own uses i would them scale to E&C marines in such a way that they would only reach their chests.
Plus this way perhabs a full platoon could actually fit inside a Cheese Carrier

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Can someone explain to me at what point Space Marines became super tall? 3e maybe? Did they retcon that to say that Space Marines have always been tall (ie heresy era)?

Well as far as APCs ... (I commanded an M113 Mech Co. '87-'89) IMO the Standard plastic & metal Mk. 1 Rhinos, that came out with SM1, are a bit small, but close ... The Metal E:A Rhino is a bit closer but that is almost too big ... in Epic scale ... The Leman Russes no matter what version, is a bit small, they are closer to the size of a WWII R-35, or M3/5 Stuart ... Then an MBT, like a Pz. III or IV, T-34 or an M4 Sherman ... And the DKoK Siegfried is like a Tankette, closer to a IJA Type 95 ... So with G/W, as I said, before size is relative ... Relative indeed ...

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They have definitely grown since RT & the Horus Heresy series of books has Marines bigganized from the get-go.

Since the models in Epic have essentially been just representative gaming bits, it's nice to see some of the classic models reworked into a consistent scale. If the rumoured FW truescale Titan game ever kicks off, it will be interesting to see how their models compare to some of the outstanding scratchbuilds.

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I thought marines were 7 foot tall unarmoured with the armour adding around 1/2 a foot depending on type/mark?

Yup about 7 foot.

My Marines are 7.2mm tall, and their eyes are at 6.6mm off the ground. When doing infantry I assume each mm is about 1 foot.

Here's a quick scale rendition. The chap on the right is one of my Marines (7.2mm tall), and the chap on the left is an "armoured human" who is 6mm tall.

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Very intersting thread
answers a lot of questions
nice

One other thing to keep in mind is that, just like some details are exagerated at 28mm, the same goes for 6mm. This isn't just related to castability issues (gun barrel diameters, antennae, etc) but also identifying details, like shoulder pads, banners, guns, etc.

Wow !!! The one on the left is puny ...

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It's amazing how tall marines get when they aren't bow-legged.

Posture is everything...

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Necrons are even bigger. "Fear the Alien" talks about a 3m Necon Lord. And if you model a Wh40k Necron Warrior to stand upright then he is a head taller then a Wh40k Space Marine.

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