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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:29 pm 
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I'm going to use the old chaos familiars for Princes, and just bought the Warmaster GD's for that role. Will post pics when done.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:29 pm 
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Quote: (Rug @ 07 Jun. 2009, 12:39 )

Tzeentch GDs and DPs have always looked the same....

The Demon Princes of the God of Change and Mutation all look the same?? Nonsense I say!

The Lords of Change generally do look alike - being Greater Demons - but the Demon Princes can vary immensely! Take a look at a couple of good examples here to illustrate a couple of very Tzeentchian ones that look nothing like a Lord of Change: http://www.coolminiornot.com/94954 http://www.coolminiornot.com/94523


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:05 pm 
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Quote: (frogbear @ 06 Jun. 2009, 08:58 )

I was down at Eureka Miniatures today and got a hold of their new 10mm Aztec range and thought the size was perfect for a Primarch. What do you think?

I think 10mm works pretty well.  As far as Tzeentch, I think you can do an Aztec-theme Tzeentch rather than Egyptian.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:56 pm 
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A tiny background detail crossed my eye whilst reading the new Space Wolves codex - not only are there Demon Princes but there are such things as Demon Kings. I had speculated such a think would exist before due to the wording, as it makes little sense to have princes with no kings.

Point being if you use a frikking huge demon to lead your epic army you can ignore anyone complaining it's way too big and not true to the background as you can claim it is a Demon King rather than a mere prince.

Incidentally I did pick up one of those nice unreleased Tzeentch I mentioned before here for epic uses, lovely model.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:05 pm 
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Aye but if it's that big, it should be a counts-as greater daemon, as it's no longer infantry sized, surely.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:16 pm 
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I guess the "prince" in Daemonprince has the same meaning as in "The Prince" from Machiavelli or Queens "Princes of the Universe" and not the meaning of a a heir to a kings throne.
German translation would be Dämonenfürst but GW made it Dämonenprinz.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BCrst

Wouldn't be the first time germans translate "prince" wrong. There is a certain Vampire rolelaying game wich had rulers of the vampires of a given city called a Prince. Well there is no Vampire King in this game but still it was translated to "Prinz" instead of "Fürst".




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Ah yes, I’d forgotten the what to count is as question. Greater Demon might make most obvious sense due to the size but I am going with Demon Prince. I already have a nice Warmaster Lord of Change model to use there and I prefer the idea of this chap orchestrating and leading my army all the time, not being a killy demon that pops up briefly in a warzone for a scrap when the walls of reality are at their weakest and his supporters get the summoning on the go.

I've decided prince stats anyway and I'm sticking to it. It will obviously be pointed out and made clear to opponents what it is but it does look kind of the part of big powerful chaos leader thing (c'mon now it could be worse - I'm not using a coke can crushed slightly down to the correct height for an Eldar titan, like an old friend did once).

If I really need a background explanation for why he’s not vulnerable to AT fire I’m sure something could be imagined; some powerful spell than counters the potent attacks but is unable to protect him from all and so ignores low level ones. Or he’s greatly largened by magic or mutation but his mass has not got up as much to match – he’s large but semi-gas-like thin. A lascannon could go through and out the other side without doing any real damage to his tencticular body whereas sustained firing from the likes of a heavy bolter would hurt him.


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I've decided prince stats anyway and I'm sticking to it. It will obviously be pointed out and made clear to opponents what it is but it does look kind of the part of big powerful chaos leader thing (c'mon now it could be worse - I'm not using a coke can crushed slightly down to the correct height for an Eldar titan, like an old friend did once).

Well there is the Holofield you know... :laugh:

As for size of the Daemon prince: He is a Daemon Prince of Tzeentch. Surely he has some illusiory spells to appear far bigger than he actually is?

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Surely he has some illusiory spells to appear far bigger than he actually is?


Erh...Obviously Tzeentch is the one who sends out all that spam mail I find in my inbox... :p

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:45 pm 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ Oct. 17 2009, 07:16 )

German translation would be Dämonenfürst

That is such a cool name   :agree:

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Quote: (nealhunt @ Jun. 08 2009, 23:05 )

I think you can do an Aztec-theme Tzeentch rather than Egyptian.

I do not know how I missed that comment but that is an awesome idea   :agree:

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Dunno how much this helps this late after your initial post, but here are two Daemon Princes I made; firstly, one for a still-to-be-painted (and staying that way for a while yet  :p ) Emperor's Children army:



This was converted from an SM1 era plastic robot, Chaos Terminator parts, Noise Marine parts, and Daemonette parts.


...and there's this one, which I think is simply an old Familiar miniature, but perfect for my World Eaters (still painting in progrtess, and staying that way for just as long as the Emperor's Children army  :laugh: )



Hope these are of some use to you...


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A Friend is using the old Eldar Avatar as DP, think this is ok from size perspektive.

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A Friend is using the old Eldar Avatar as DP, think this is ok from size perspektive.

The one that looks like he is jumping out of a big birthday cake?   :laugh:

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Yes^^ he converted it a bit ^^

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