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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:01 pm 
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Yup well the lack of clarity has been corrected now, quit hammering the point.

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So, now that we've clarified the actual intent, are we all good or is there something more that needs to be discussed?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:03 pm 
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Quote: (Chroma @ 16 Jul. 2009, 18:58 )

Well, then allow me to add it now for clarity: "At this time."

Thank you. You could have saved us this whole argument by posting this earlier.


Honestly, why would I *help* troubleshoot the list if I never wanted to see it again?  Unless the implication is that I'm insane.


I did make this point earlier, and you didn't respond.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:04 pm 
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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 16 Jul. 2009, 19:01 )

Yup well the lack of clarity has been corrected now, quit hammering the point.

That post was written before I had read Chroma's clarification.

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So, now that we've clarified the actual intent, are we all good or is there something more that needs to be discussed?


Well, one might discuss if any of my proposals might be appropriate to consider for future list iterations. :)


Personally I'm a fan of having the Malanthrope in the Core list as basically the only difference between a Stage IV and a Stage V list would be 'more malanthropes' IMHO. I don't see basic list composition changing all that much.

Malanthropes could bring a more dramatic 'tide of rippers' effect with them if so desired?


That post was written before I had read Chroma's clarification.

As the same thing just happened to me (forcing me to edit in Chroma's quote above for clarity), I say Touché to you sir. :))




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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:06 pm 
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Quote: (zombocom @ 16 Jul. 2009, 19:03 )

Quote: (Chroma @ 16 Jul. 2009, 18:58 )

Well, then allow me to add it now for clarity: "At this time."

Thank you. You could have saved us this whole argument by posting this earlier.


Honestly, why would I *help* troubleshoot the list if I never wanted to see it again?  Unless the implication is that I'm insane.


I did make this point earlier, and you didn't respond.

Well, as I thought it was implied, especially since I was helping with the list.  

Hadn't realized that was the "kernel" of this discussion until now.  So, are we done?

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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 16 Jul. 2009, 19:04 )

Personally I'm a fan of having the Malanthrope in the Core list as basically the only difference between a Stage IV and a Stage V list would be 'more malanthropes' IMHO. I don't see basic list composition changing all that much.

Malanthropes could bring a more dramatic 'tide of rippers' effect with them if so desired?

Well, the Phase V list has some other changes too, as it allows for more "big" creatures and Brood Nests and such, and I've got a rule for Ripper Swarms as a "global" effect... though the Leviathan list allows for more of that already with the 1-to-1 Common-to-Uncommon ratio... and the Brood Nest... *laugh*

I'll be happy to discuss this at a later time.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:21 pm 
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Quote: (Chroma @ 16 Jul. 2009, 19:08 )

Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 16 Jul. 2009, 19:04 )

Personally I'm a fan of having the Malanthrope in the Core list as basically the only difference between a Stage IV and a Stage V list would be 'more malanthropes' IMHO. I don't see basic list composition changing all that much.

Malanthropes could bring a more dramatic 'tide of rippers' effect with them if so desired?

Well, the Phase V list has some other changes too, as it allows for more "big" creatures and Brood Nests and such, and I've got a rule for Ripper Swarms as a "global" effect...

Note that there is no such all consuming tide of Rippers in the Anphellion project when the Malanthropes arrive.

The one Scenario they appear in (the final one) has 4 Ripper swarm units (this is in an army list that includes about 70 Tyranid units, one of which is a Hierophant Bio Titan).

though the Leviathan list allows for more of that already with the 1-to-1 Common-to-Uncommon ratio...

I thought that ratio more appropriate to what we see in Warhammer 40,000, where a balance of 20 Gaunts-to-3 Carnifexes would seem perfectly normal, but 40 Gaunts-to-3 Carnifexes would seem especially Gaunt-heavy.

I'll be happy to discuss this at a later time.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:22 pm 
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Quote: (Chroma @ 16 Jul. 2009, 19:06 )

Quote: (zombocom @ 16 Jul. 2009, 19:03 )

Quote: (Chroma @ 16 Jul. 2009, 18:58 )

Well, then allow me to add it now for clarity: "At this time."

Thank you. You could have saved us this whole argument by posting this earlier.


Honestly, why would I *help* troubleshoot the list if I never wanted to see it again?  Unless the implication is that I'm insane.


I did make this point earlier, and you didn't respond.

Well, as I thought it was implied, especially since I was helping with the list.  

Hadn't realized that was the "kernel" of this discussion until now.  So, are we done?

Nothing you had said until the last few posts indicated to me that this was intended as a temporary thing. I'm quite sure if you reread your oriignal post you can understand why I was angered by the apparent suggestion that variant lists shouldn't be allowed, even though that wasn't your intent.

Please be clearer on possibly contentious matters in future

Yes, I believe we're done.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:25 pm 
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Quote: (zombocom @ 16 Jul. 2009, 19:22 )

Please be clearer on possibly contentious matters in future

And I would request that you interpret my intent in all Internet communincations as the most positive and friendly as possible.

I am not being sarcastic or mocking you here, I truly mean this, as that is truly my intent.

If I am angry or something, I will indicate it appropriately.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:39 pm 
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I could not see a friendly or positive intent in your original post, which is why I tried several interpretations such as thinking that maybe you felt the professional design of the leviathan list would overshadow 9.2.1.

That was the most positive intent I could possibly assign to your original words. Without the later addition of "at this time" there is no possible friendlier interpretation to the words you wrote.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:58 pm 
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Yes Chroma didn't speak 100% clearly and you got tweaked about it and called him on it until he clarified his initial words... haven't we already established that?

Everyone will try and be more clear from here on out, and now can this thread stop being so NASCAR?

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Yes,we should discuss Malanthropes and my suggestions in the 9.2.1 thread  :laugh:


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Quote: (Chroma @ 16 Jul. 2009, 19:25 )

Could you elaborate on what you "hated" about the experience?

The above from the originating thread.

Chroma, did you get my PM regarding this?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:17 am 
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Wow

That was a good read.

I respect all parties involved with this discussion and it is evident that communication is the key.

I have never met or seen Chroma, E&C or Zombocom, which makes my understanding of what is written and then read without tone quite subjective. I took the original post as protectionist, and Chroma advised of his position and intent. I am happy with this. I would recommend phrasing words a little differently nextime  :yes:

Like the rest of you, I just want to play Epic and have fun doing it. I prefer alternate lists as it allows me personally to study rule sets and develop ideas for change and/or improvement. I actually have alot of fun debating rules changes and ideas with others even when I have to finally admit that my ideas may not work. Sometimes they do however (hoping the juggernauts are the latest that do).

Some of those ideas and responses however come across like a brick through a window   :;): This is the same for others on these lists. I understand this and have to be aware of it. Now that I also understand Chroma to an extent, I am sure that any retort will come from a different (happy) place.

Last thing I would say however (to the in-group who know Jervis and appear to control many of the workings on these lists), requests to hold lists and so forth should be done through PM. That way the AC or the person responsible for an alternate list can then be the one who is the diplomat and tempers the requests that come through.

Cheers...

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