Well. If the AMTL list insist on having Imperator in their list for tournament scenario why not mega gargant? Isn't it supposed to be weaker than Imperator anyway(and from what I recall it is).

Would be very odd if Imperator is allowed in tournament list but mega gargant isn't. Some consistency please. If nothing else mega gargant in though best case only stats for both and for tournament scenario neither allowed.

Edit: WHOOPS! Should check dates before replying

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With the down-powered AMTL Imperator Titan sitting at 1250pts, I could see a similarly down-powered Mega-Gargant sitting at around 1000-1100pts.

I'd see it at around DC14, or if DC18 was kept, with 5+ RA.

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i would love to see a mega gargant able to be used in normal games, even if it has to be watered down.

man, tough crowd  

And I would prefer them to NOT be downgraded. Otherwise we have two version of them. Weak version and the REAL thing.

They are supposed to be so rare it doesn't even make sense for them to appear in tournament scenarios.

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Precident has been set with the Imperator/Warmonger though.

The 'real' Mega-gargant and Imperator stats are not officially available as that section of the pdf on GW's site is missing.

Going from the Mega-gargant stats in this list (I assume a copy from the full rulebook) I think that it needs revising on the recommended points for scenarios to a higher value or removing completely.

It would certainly need toning down to be useable against the War Gryphons Imperator or the very experimental Lugganath Magnate.

Imperator/warmonger mistake however could be fixed still. It doesn't have to remain as a mistake.

Instead we could have real stats for scenario play as it should be.

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What you aggressively label a mistake was a request from the majority of the participants in the AMTL development process.

They wanted the Imperator introduced.

All I did was drop the DC to 12 (as I knew that DC12 is what GW would consider an Imperator Titan to be if they were going to write new rules for it*, and lo and behold a year later GW uploaded stats for the Imperator in Warhammer 40,000 to their website and the Imperator was 12 DC...) and change some of the really minor tertiary guns (like Heavy Bolters) into a combined +2 FF attacks.

I didn't water it down so much as modernize it, and considering the direction GW took when they modernized it officially, my path was pretty close to the one they eventually took.


Instead we could have real stats for scenario play as it should be.

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I'd like to see the Imperator and the Mega Gargant each have TWO sets of stats in the AMTL and OGBM lists. One version for tournament play, which is quite explicit in it's notes / description about being necessarily a bit reduced in power. A second version could then be given in the not for tournament play stats at the end that listed them with the true power appropriate to them, but no points (these stats could either be cut and pasted from the rulebook or amended a bit).

I also have the feeling forcing something as large and powerful as an Imperator into a 28mm ruleset meant they reduced it's power down some to make it not too ludicrous. I prefer to give more credence to it's previous epic rules and background.

Yeah. As if epic should have same rules as wh40k. Yeah! Let's introduce leadership tests while we are at it.

This is epic. Leave 40k rules where they are. Imperators should be _scary_. Downgrading them is precisely wrong move. If nothing else they should have been beefed up instead of downgraded.

Top of that they don't BELONG to tournament scenarios. They are too rare to fit anything but scenarios. Stats into list but out of the tournament list.

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Even worse. Two sets of stats? Yeah right. Have one set of stats and do it right. Much better than having bad version and good version at the same time.

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Where have you find 'modern' stats about Imperator ? (12DC,  scout class weapons instead of battlecannon, ...)

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