Yeah. Not only where they lower detailed. Many where butt ugly!
Citadel Miniatures have improved enormously over the years. Few would disagree. This is true even much of the shoestring sideline that is EA!

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I have to say, I agree with the OP. I hate 6mm scale for the models. 6mm infantry are just gaming pieces to me, unlike for other games where my armies are figures to be converted and lavishly painted as well as gaming pieces. Even my grey knights are really too small to really do much work with.

Thing is, Epic started with Adeptus Titanicus and the infantry came along later to give the titans something to stomp. And 6mm IS good for titans (a warlord would be HUGE properly scaled for 15mm!) Most tanks are still pretty small, however.

I'd love for Epic to be 10mm or 15mm, even if you have to take the BFG abstraction that ground scale and model scale don't match up. And while I agree that Epic's sorry state now is due to how it is marketed, no question about it, the models do not help at all. Epic is a gamer's game, NOT a modeller's game and that isn't going to make it more popular.

Space Hulk is being re-released? Woohoo!

As I stated before. The infantry in 6mm are the weakest link. Epic tanks are pretty much good as their 40k counterparts. (Apart from some of the IG travesties!)

6mm is good for Titans. It's also the only workable scale for massed combat games involving modern or sci-fi weapons!

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I do agree that marketing does definately factor into things.

Have you guys seen Planetary Empires?

http://berkswarhammer40k.blogspot.com/2 ... pires.html

That is just BEGGING for a little bit of Epic marketing, isn't it?



Thing is, Epic started with Adeptus Titanicus and the infantry came along later to give the titans something to stomp. And 6mm IS good for titans (a warlord would be HUGE properly scaled for 15mm!) Most tanks are still pretty small, however.

That's a good point. I forgot about that. FOW started with infantry in mind, Epic started as a loose collection of metal space marines glued together on stands by fans!

6mm models are too small to appeal to model lovers. An extra 4mm wouldn't hurt that much would it?

Plus, you can make larger titans (like the plastic giant, or Orc Stompa model!) with more detail. I think it's a winner. Better, more detailed miniatures for a better rules set. What's wrong with appealing to model lovers? Can you honestly defend 6mm infantry compared to good quality 10mm? Think of the possibilities for hero character, banners, poses!

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With proper model support? It'd be fantastic. Yeah, a 10mm scale warlord would be awesome particularly if done with the nifty new pastics GW are making now.

Of course, a change in scale would upset everyone with an existing army. Can you imagine the outcry if GW changed their scale for 40K?  

Ultimately, it's pie-in-the-sky dreaming. If GW decided to entirely remake the Epic range and market it as a core game, then a 10mm scale might be a good thing - but the really big stuff like titans would have to be in plastic, implying serious support from GW. Not happening.

Is the current warlord that much shorter than a 40k dreadnought for example? Not much.

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A little taller, but narrower.

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I reckon 10-15mm horus heresy setting would be great - and arguably sell in droves with all the black library attention.

Guys ... Guys ... come on ... we may as well as be talking about a trip thru a Stargate. G/W doesn't support 6mm Epic ... why would they redo the whole thing in 15mm.  I think 6mm has a lot of detail and the size is what attracted me to it in the first place. Now that being said there are alot of 15mm models you could use with your favorite set of Epic rules.  You may have to fine tune the ranges and movement rates though.  And as I repeatedly said, we who like 6mm Epic/SF will keep it alive here. Our Tac Cmd brethern wrote a rule supplement.  And working on a second one now.  And the same goes for the models ...  on two levels - DRM & E/W ... and the "others" ...  Plus GZG, Brigade, Baccus etc. ...  Well as always - DWWFY ... But I'm sticking with my 6mm(to 8mm) Epic stuff from all 4 iterations + DRM, E/W, and the "others" ...   And just a thought ... based not only on past history but what has just  recently happened with F/W ...  I doubt if in 5-7 years G/W will continue to make the current Epic range or support it to any level ...  I could be wrong ... But we'll see.

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Guys ... Guys ... come on ... we may as well as be talking about a trip thru a Stargate.

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i STRONGLY  disagree with this statment. I find the majority of players that play epic is for the excellent rule set that it provides. Epic is for gamers that game, 40k is for your fan boy model junkies that just want to roll dice.
If you want to play something for the models then by all means 28 mm is your calling.

You might check your tone there. Being a good wargame and having decent models are not mutually exclusive. Plus the idea that "real wargamers" don't want us "fan boy model junkies" playing your game anyway smacks of elitism.

no where does my comment say anything like this.