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Epic games in London
CyberShadow
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 1:56 pm 
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OK. I managed to knock up another five warbands last night.


1 ? Tzeentch

Retinue: Chaos Marines [6], 6 Units [2], Rhino (x3) [3]
Champion: Leader, Inspiring [35], First Strike [31]
Followers: Four Groups [4]
Group 1 ? Cult Marines (Thousand Sons) [45], 3 Units [1], Rhino (x2) [5]
Group 2 ? Big Mutants [24], 8 Units [4], No Transport [4]
Group 3 ? Chaos Marine Bikers [34], 10 Units [6]
Group 4 ? Chaos Hounds [12], 16 Units [12]
Advancement Points = 8
Mutation Points = 0
Formation 01 ? Retinue and Champion
Formation 02 ? Group 1 Thousand Sons
Formation 03 ? Group 2 Big Mutants
Formation 04 ? Group 3 Marine Bikers + Group 4 Chaos Hounds

2 ? Khorne

Retinue: Chaos Marines [8], 6 Units [2], Rhino (x3) [4]
Champion: Leader, Supreme Commander [66], Commander [56]
Followers: Four Groups [5]
Group 01 ? Chosen Terminators [61], 5 Units [3], Land Raider (x3) [5]
Group 02 ? Chaos Hounds [12], 13 Units [9]
Group 03 ? Land Raiders [64], 3 Units [3]
Group 04 ? Dark Lord [66], Undivided, Chaos Marines [7], 7 Units [3], No Transport [1], Leader, Invulnerable Save [62]
Advancement Points =8
Mutation Points = 0 (Dark Lord Mutation Points = 0)
Formation 01 ? Retinue and Champion
Formation 02 ? Dark Lord and Retinue
Formation 03 ? Group 1 Terminators + Group 3 Land Raiders
Formation 04 ? Group 2 Chaos Hounds

3 ? Nurgle

Retinue: Chaos Marines [6], 5 Units [1], No Transport [2]
Champion: Leader, Commander [61], Thick Rear Armour [51]
Followers: Five Groups [6]
Group 01 ? Chaos Dreadnoughts [51], 8 Units [4]
Group 02 ? Cult Marines (Plague Marines) [44], 7 Units [5], Rhino (x4) [4]
Group 03 ? Land Raiders [64], 1 Unit [4]
Group 04 ? Cult Marines (Plague Marines) [45], 6 Units [4], Rhino (x3) [5]
Group 05 ? Big Mutants [24], 5 Units [1], No Transport [3]
Advancement Points = 10
Mutation Points = 0
Formation 01 ? Champion and Retinue
Formation 02 ? Group 1 Dreadnoughts + Group 3 Land Raider
Formation 03 ? Group 2 Plague Marines + Group 4 Plague Marines
Formation 04 ? Group 5 Big Mutants

4 ? Slaneesh

Retinue: Chaos Havoks [4], 5 Units [3], No Transport [1]
Champion: Leader, Save +1 [53], Reaper Autocannon [44]
Followers: Three Groups
Group 01 ? Mutants [13], 9 Units [1], Land Transporter (x3) [5]
Group 02 ? Traitor PDF [16], 12 Units [4], No Transport [1]
Group 03 ? Chaos Traitors [23], 7 Units [1], No Transport [3]
Advancement Points = 6
Mutation Points = 0
Formation 01 ? Champion and Retinue
Formation 02 ? Group 1 Mutants
Formation 03 ? Group 2 Traitor PDF + Group 3 Chaos Traitors

5 ? Undivided

Retinue: Chaos Havoks [5], 3 Units [1], No Transport [2]
Champion: Leader, Sniper [26], None [11]
Followers: Four Groups [5]
Group 01 ? Sacrifices [54], 3 Units [1], Land Transporter {x1) [6]
Group 02 ? Big Mutants [24], 10 Units [6], No Transport [2]
Group 03 ? Chaos Predators [53], 2 Units [1]
Group 04 ? Chaos Predators [52], 2 Units [1]
Advancement Points = 8
Mutation Points = 0
Formation 01 ? Champion and Retinue
Formation 02 ? Group 1 Sacrifices + Group 2 Big Mutants
Formation 03 ? Group 3 Predators + Group 4 Predators


Comments first - The Tzeentch warband is pretty much what I hoped they would turn out like. A nice variety of units, with some Tzeentch specific units as well. The Khrone one is what I would like to use!  :)

After thinking about these, and the previous warbands, a bit more, I came up with a few things that will probably be altered.

- Is it me, or do most warbands end up being lead by Chaos Marines? It seems that, while this is fairly in keeping, almost all the warbands that I put together are lead by about 6-8 units of these guys. Looking at the table, there is a 16 out of 36 chance of this happening, that is four nineths, almost half. I think that I will reduce the chance of Chaos Marines as the retinue to 7-8 and increase the chances of another retinue unit.

- Marine transports. nealhunt mentioned that there was a fairly high chance of Marines not bringing their Rhinos. I have thought about this a lot. On the one hand, Marines should have Rhinos a lot, on the other I dont want this to be automatic. Therefore, I have decided to increase the chance of Rhinos being available, but only for the retinue. I think that this is quite good, as it means that the leaders are more likely to have transport, which is the way that it should be.

- Gaunts Ghost mentioned that there was a fairly low chance of getting anything more exciting in the warband. I am starting to see what he means after a few warbands. I will expand the 'top end' of the table to make Dreads start at about the middle, around 44.

Thanks for your comments guys. Any views on these changes?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2003 6:54 pm 
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Have you considered using a points-purchase system like the Path to Glory stuff?

You pay for the chance to roll.  The roll determines what you can buy.  Then you have to buy the units.  If you don't like your roll, you can pay to adjust it, or drop it and pay for a new roll.

Transport could then be added as a cost.

Just an idea.

Any progress on the advancement points?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2003 12:36 pm 
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I did think of the point system, and I was tempted by it. I really wanted the progression and generation to be as fair and balanced as possible, while still being different from others.

For some reason, I just dont get on with the point system as much. I dont really know why, maybe one of those irrational things. I will introspect to work it out.

The next section will be with the next update, I will try to find time over the weekend to write it up.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 1:28 pm 
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Hey guys,

I figure most of you have already seen this, but if you have I never saw any posts on it.

The supa stompa.

It looks like it has tracks for propulsion, and a real rag tag build quality. ?I like it.

Its the pic of the day (I realised you cant attatch stuff here).

http://www.specialist-games.com/


Oh for f*cks sake.  I cant work this bloody stupid f*cking linking to other sites sh*t stuff.  Its on the specialist games main page, under pic of the day.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 2:12 pm 
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I like it! :)

It is just in between the very boxy feel of the e40k range with just a hint of the rounder SM2 era models which means that it will fit in  nicely with both ranges without looking out of place.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 1:03 am 
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Yeah, it is pretty cool, got that chunky Ork look to it- the pic is now on the new Epicentre for those who missed it... here...

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Thanks Storm! ?

Great pic...

I like it, at the very least they got rid of those goofy legs! :laugh:

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:06 pm 
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Hi!

Interesting model the supa stompa, reminds me of the old mekboy gargant, maybe thats what it is meant to be now?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:49 pm 
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I think it may be now Primarch, Jervis seems to be "streamlining" the Epic Ork's, as about every "older" vehicle is now something else....

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Hi!

The important thing is to have a model, what we want to call it is for each to decide.... :;):

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I've seen pics of the regular stompas, and they look pretty much the same.  Unless they had labelled it wrongly, but it wasn't the exact same model.  It never had that hammer thing, but was all gunz (3 of them).

Off topic a bit, what do people think of the Ork landa?  I cant see a subject on it, so don't know where you all talked about it.

It's a nice model, but I'm not sure if it looks Orky enough.  I dont know why, I cant put my finger on it yet.  I think its the fact it looks streamlined.
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I like the Ork Lander, I'll buy a few! ?:;):

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I'm not saying I dont like the model, I really do.  I think its just the fact that it looks so much like the ship that escapes from the planet Hoth in the Empire Strike Back, that takes away the Ork appearance.  I will still get some  :blush:
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Hi!

We did talk about the ork lander but it popped up in another thread , I think its okay, not a bad model and it looks suitably orky...

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I  don't care for the hammer on it. That'll be the first thing I remove...

I'm not super impressed with the model. A whole lot of build-up for a small pay-off.

Maybe JJ should keep more of his secrets! LOL :)

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