You're not the only one. It's nice, but I agree it doesn't look Khornate at all.

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I'm not keen either - whoever designed this had definitely been watching the start of transformers

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I do think they pooched the paint for the demo.  Losing the race car sheen and adding some weathering would make it look far more war-machiney and less like a bug sans wings.  If you look at the unpainted model, it definitely has a better feel and the detail on the underside/back is impressive.

My only beef with the construction of the model is that the "shield" on the front chainsaw claws needs to be shortened back to the first joint to allow them to actually work as claws.  Not hard to fix with a little time & a Dremel.

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See, I do think the plates look khornate.  They look a lot like elements of 40K helmet crests and WHFB characters.  I also don't like the idea that khornate is 'supposed' to be like something orks cobbled together, as if Khorne is only about berserker unthinking killmaimburn.  You'd think so these days, but what happened to khornate aspects of pride and proficiency?

I like the paintjob too.  Red and brass.  Khorney!  The gloss doesn't bother me, and IMO only makes it look better.  From one point of view it could be that khornate forces do keep some pride (they've got to do something between black crusades).  From another: you complain it doesn't look demonic and then complain that it doesn't look quite like the other 'mundane' beat-up, rusty, 10,000 year old piles of scrap.  It's like expecting bloodthirsters and flesh hounds to pop out of the warp half-rotten.

Sorry Neal.  I'm not singling you out.  It's just that your opinions tally with too many other reactions I've seen against this thing, and to me it shows how much the Chaos gods have been narrowed down into comic-booky roles within roles (e.g. the god of blood and war has to be clunky, basic and practically mindless).  I don't like it much.  It limits the imagination, or something.

(I don't think the scorpion looks scuttly, either )

Well Khorne Daemon Engines are supposed to look more...industrial. Pistons, cogs...and skulls and spikes off course

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No problem.  I could tell you weren't directing it solely at me because a lot of what you said doesn't relate to anything I posted.  I actually agree with most of what you wrote.

I also don't like the idea that khornate is 'supposed' to be like something orks cobbled together, as if Khorne is only about berserker unthinking killmaimburn.

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The simple differance between khorne machinery and Orks is symmetry.

Khorne stuff is supposed to look designed but also brutal.
That scorpian dosen't seem to come from the same school of thought as a chain axe.

The way it's tail is raised and the detailing on the claws make the sheilds look like heat sinks. It looks too damn shooty.
Now a harpoon (with brass chain) and a buzz saw...

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Yeah, but this is a Daemon engine, not a clunky corrupted Imperial tank. I think it looks appropriate. Much better than my Brass Scorpion model I have now lol!

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I think this may well represent the start of a new style of daemon engine. There were a whole bunch of daemonic engine sketches that did the rounds on the messageboards a while ago (I'm sure someone here has a link), and they look very organic and sleek.

While I think the steampunk look to Khorne is my favourite, I do find this new look very evil and very scary. I even like the shininess. The only thing I don't like is the scythes on the "sting", which are the one thing that make it look outright Dark Eldary.

Looks pretty good to me. I find the angles they take photos at sometimes make things look out of whack. Until you have one in hand you can't always tell exactly what they look like. About the only negative I can think that this thing has is the narrow and elegant looking weapon in the tail. It's not beefy enough IMO like the snout gun

So the real question is, "if they made one in Epic scale would anyone buy it?"

Even though I gave up Khorne a long time ago to follow the Emperor's light, an Epic version of this would be extremely tempting as I still have a box of the original Chaos warriors (the 300 fig version), that I don't really know what I'll do with.

If Chroma and I ever get around to doing Alpha Legion, I'd use standard marines for that, so could this model draw me into the dark side?

I wonder what this thing would look like worked up into stats? I don't have a clue about anything related to Chaos.

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I don't honestly see this as an Epic splash that would drive significant revenue because, unlike the 40K main game, there are/would be no new rules surrounding an Epic release.  Sexy miniatures only get you so far even though it would be great to see this as the initial stage of a new wave in Demon Engines.

Statwise, I think this just ends up like all the myriad existing Khorne Demon Engines sharing a common statline.  New models aside, the Brass Scorpion has been around for a coon's age and no special profile now exists for it in Epic.  The Tower of Skulls, Cauldron of Blood, Doom Blaster, Blood Reaper, and the Deathdealer all fall into the same pot of sameness.

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i believe there's a profile for it in Blacklegion's Red Corsairs list.

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Chaos Brass Scorpion (Khorne)
Type Speed Armour Close Combat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 15cm 4+ 4+ 4+

Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Scorpion Cannon   30cm 2 x AP5+/AT6+ -
2x Hellmaw Cannon 15cm AP4+/AT6+ and Ignore Cover
                               Small Arms       Ignore Cover
Demolisher Cannon 30cm AP3+/AT4+ Ignore Cover

Damage Capacity 2. Critical Hit Effect: The Brass Scorpions reactor explodes. The brass Scorpion is destroyed and any units within 5cm of the model suffer a hit on a D6 roll of 6. If the Brass Scorpion looses his last point of Damage Capacity it automatically receives a critical hit.

Notes: Invulnerable Save, Fearless, Infiltrator, Walker. The Hellmaw Cannons can shoot and be used to confer the Ignore Cover ability to the unit’s firefight value but they don’t give an extra attack.


I came uo with stats for the Doom Blaster and Cannon of Khorne in my Iron Warriors army list too.

Chaos Cannon of Khorne (Khorne)
Type Speed Armour Close Combat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 15cm 4+ 6+ 5+

Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Warpcannon 30cm MW2+ Titan Killer(1), Slow-firing

Notes: Invulnerable Save, Fearless.


Chaos Doom Blaster (Khorne)
Type Speed Armour Close Combat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 15cm 4+ 6+ 5+

Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Quad Mortar 30cm 4BP Slow-firing, Indirect Fire, Disrupt

Notes: Invulnerable Save, Fearless.


And here are some stats i came up with for the Tower of Skulls:

Chaos Tower of Skulls (Khorne)
Type Speed Armour Close Combat Firefight
WarEngine 15cm 4+ 4+ 4+

Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Balemaw Cannon         60cm 2 x AP4+/AT4+ Disrupt, Fixed Forward Arc
2 x Skullreaper Cannon 30cm 2 x AP5+/AT6+ -
2 x Doomfire Cannon    15cm 2 x AP6+ -
2 x Twin Skullshredder 15cm AP5+ -

Damage Capacity 3. Critical Hit Effect: The Tower of Skulls' reactor explodes. The Tower of Skulls is destroyed and any units within 5cm of the model suffer a hit on a D6 roll of 6. If the Tower of Skulls looses his last point of Damage Capacity it automatically receives a critical hit.

Notes: Invulnerable Save, Fearless, Reinforced Armour

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