Do the other bits of Support Craft apply?
- Never blocks LoS
- Ignores terrain effects as it never lands

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"Support Craft" is gone and the unit gets this in notes: skimmer (always counts as popped-up for LOS).

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With Titans, It is very easy to work out LOS from a weapon to the target as the Titan is at the correct height (we physically look from the weapons point of view).

The subjectivity of APU skimmers is where the "miffed"ness will come from. More wasted time (and let's face it, Epic aint a quick game as is) whilst working out what does and doesn't block LOS (whether before or during the game).

This is the crux of my objection to APU.

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How do you deal with skimmers in your game, Onyx?

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Of course, I play Skimmers the same as anyone else who has read the rules.
The point of Support Craft and APU is that it's not generally going to be the same as Skimmers though.

Most Skimmers will drive up to the terrain, pop up, fire and then pop down again. This will often not be the case with APU units. They are quite slow (at 20cm on the Moray and Manta) so won't always get into an effective position. Then there is the question of the ground units that will be shooting up at the Support Craft. Things like Shadowswords are even slower than Morays/Mantas so there will many more times when there will be questionable LOS than there are when using normal Skimmers.
This is why I keep banging on about making sure everyone who playtests these things MUST use the 12 terrain features (as per the Tournament scenario) so we get a truely accurate set of results. Someone playing with only 6 terrain features is going to have a different game (using Support Craft) than someone using 12.

This isn't really up for debate. It will take more effort to work out LOS. It's a fact.
I will playtest it (as much as I can with limited opponents at the moment) and will see if the extra effort will make an appreciable difference to the way Support Craft work. I believe it should be trialed to find out just how much it slows down the game and effects gameplay.

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I agree on the "slow" part:

When I ran Morays with APU, they really needed every cm of move to acquire worthy targets. In retrospect, I might even have mishandled them in one of the games as I my plan to engage an artillery formation hiding behind a tall building near the enemy baseline probably wasn´t feasible (with 20cm move) and I just ended up exposing the Morays and shooting targets of opportunity while doubling forward.

Anyway, proper playtests again starting next months, I´m moving house back to my home town - and my old epic gang!

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