Cheers, mate. A posted Battle Report of your next up and coming battle will help to heal my frazled brain.  

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It is clear the Warlord is part of the same detachment...we agree on that.  Given that fact, where is the confusion....1 detachment = 1 activation.  The fact that one stand in the unit has a different ability (Command) doesn't change the fact that it is one detachment.

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Yes, again I am repeating the Warlord is part of detachment.

No, no confusion. I challenge the assumption that the COMMAND unit does not get a separate activation due to him having separate orders as per the rules while all I have against this is "it's what we do." Your right. I'm not confused at all.
I suppose you would work the IG Colonel the same way. Hey kids. Don't buy a Command unit with a body guard they are all part of the same detachment so your Command unit must only get normal troop orders.
I've never read this in the rules. What seems clear to you seems a mistake to me. Where does it say that any HQ attached to a detachment must give up it's activation and follow the same orders as the detachment?

I would challenge the v5 change between Command and HQ that I didn't think needed changed and has caused unnecessary extra work when playing but I'll let sleeping dogs lie for now.

So Command units get their own activation ALWAYS as per the CORE Rules. No matter the circumstance. Core Rule trumps other rules in my book.

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Gentlemen,

Thanks for the speedy response and hope that there hasn't been any heat generated by the initial questions. If nothing else I am relieved that others have perhaps found things as complicated as I've found them, and these weren't just dumb questions.

Any one fancy a game in South London then?

rgds

michael

Nah, I would be dismayed if my moaning had caused anything more than a slight headache and perhaps a skin rash of exasperation. Who said everyone has to agree anyway.

South London?.. I'd only travel that far if you were willing to travel here in turn for the re-match.  

So, will you be posting any of your future Battles? We all like the pretty pictures round here.

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No heat, just trying to clarify things....it's fun.  

Sorry to kick the sleeping dog.  There is no "assumption" that Command does not equal extra activation.  Nowhere in the the description of Command does it mention activations.    You have made an assumption that because the stand with Command does not need orders and can always move double and fire this somehow means they can ignore the fact that they are part of a detachment.  If that's the way you play and everyone is happy cool, but the written rules do not support that interpretation.  A logical extrapolation of that would be that the Badmoons Nobz Mob would get 4 activations.  I'm sure Ork players everywhere would love that....but I'm certain that no-one thinks this (do they?)  

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Ok, then accept that we have both made assumptions. One about Activations and one about Detachments both points have merit and hopefully you see mine clearer now as I can now understand yours. I think the Nobs thing is a stretch and not really what I meant but point made.
Yes if it is played locally and all is going well then there is no problem. We prefer all HQ/Command units to receive Charge/First Fire orders (formation/detachment rules not-withstanding) and it has been fine.

A logical extrapolation of that would be that the Badmoons Nobz Mob would get 4 activations.  I'm sure Ork players everywhere would love that....but I'm certain that no-one thinks this (do they?)

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Having checked your profile I see you're in Glasgow, and I am (infrequently)in Scotland so perhaps not entirely impossible.

Thanks for the advice on the rules. My regular opponent insists he was right on the HQ targetting thing, Nobz protect other NObz so even if out alone I'd need 5 detachments to try and kill them all with gunfire (if in line ahead to my detachments).

It's not even about the rule but the general attitude so with regret have called it a day.

But may have some games with another regular who just bought some Orks on ebay, so if possible will get pictures up/reports as possible.

rgds

Michael

Tell him he's a nob, everyone here agrees he's a nob, and if he doesn't stop being a nob he doesn't get to play anymore.

Probably wont help, but should be entertaining  

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Having checked your profile I see you're in Glasgow, and I am (infrequently)in Scotland so perhaps not entirely impossible.

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Actually I think he was winning, though technically we were ahead on points at the close. We being a new Epic player (but ex grognard) and me.

Rest of it is a long story (we have been gaming on and off for about 10 years) and probably best left at saying we grate on each other's nerves, not as people, just as gamers. Not to worry.

Next time I'm in Scotland I'll try and get in touch to see if something is possible. if you're in London likewise let me know and we'll see if I can arrange some hospitality.

rgds

michael

Next time I'm in Scotland I'll try and get in touch to see if something is possible. if you're in London likewise let me know and we'll see if I can arrange some hospitality.

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