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[Formations] Four unit Aspect Troupe cost
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:03 am 
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Quote: (zombocom @ 13 Dec. 2008, 00:17 )

Most people seem ok with warhounds being 275 in marines and 250 in guard, I see this as no different.

I'm pro two different values... just putting it out their to see how other people feel about it... heck, I argued that Titans should have different values in Marine and Guard lists because of the disparity in Strategy Ratings back in the day!

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:06 pm 
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Speaking of Warhounds, I've often wondered why Eldar players can't purchase single Revenants like you can a single Warhound. Have single Revenants ever been playtested in the past?




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Oh Yes  :wow: , single Revenants were tested and found to be far too powerful. Taking any other Titan was just not worth it.

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Quote: (Tiny-Tim @ 13 Dec. 2008, 21:30 )

Oh Yes  :wow: , single Revenants were tested and found to be far too powerful. Taking any other Titan was just not worth it.

Yeah, three "single" Revenants running around were just killer.

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Quote: (Tiny-Tim @ 13 Dec. 2008, 15:30 )

Oh Yes  :wow: , single Revenants were tested and found to be far too powerful. Taking any other Titan was just not worth it.

Aww, pity.

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That being the case, why did they allow single Warhounds (or Ferals for that matter)? I would have thought the reasoning should have been similar.

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Quote: (Ginger @ 13 Dec. 2008, 23:33 )

That being the case, why did they allow single Warhounds (or Ferals for that matter)? I would have thought the reasoning should have been similar.

That's why it was decided to bump up the value of "single" Warhounds in the Marine army, to prevent *four* individual Warhounds from running around.

It was decided during early Eldar development *not* to make the same mistake twice.

And large numbers of individual Ferals is one of the biggest complaints against the Black Legion list that one hears.




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I was suggesting that perhaps the 'paired scout' restriction should have also been applied to the other races.

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Quote: (Ginger @ 14 Dec. 2008, 13:04 )

I was suggesting that perhaps the 'paired scout' restriction should have also been applied to the other races.

The thing is, with the Eldar, they had the early background text to support "mandating" that Revenants be in pairs, so they were able to support it in the rules, while, with Imperial and Chaos Titans, I don't think there's ever been such a reference, so, I assume, the designers didn't feel it was warranted...

Subsequent playtest did show a problem, especially in Black Legion where "Titan-like" War engines were also in the list, but *not* part of the Titan restriction, so it could ge quite overwhelming.

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Ferals used to be overpowered with the MW-IC-BP  :p Hellmouth.

Now that MW is gone, they are much more in line. But wasn´t this discussion about Aspect formations at one time?

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Quote: (Irondeath @ 14 Dec. 2008, 14:19 )

Now that MW is gone, they are much more in line. But wasn´t this discussion about Aspect formations at one time?

Yeah, but people came to an agreement so quickly if think people still felt the need to "debate" over *something*!   :laugh:

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Gosh, a thread gone astray? Surely I´ve never seen this happen before!
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Quote: (Irondeath @ 14 Dec. 2008, 17:09 )

Gosh, a thread gone astray? Surely I´ve never seen this happen before!
:;):

Don't make me lock you!  *laugh*  :shutup:

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Nah, I´ll read through the updated lists and try to post something constructive...

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Strange, two pages of thread and no disagreements.  I am certain there has to be SOMEBODY out there who needs to make some sort of wild recommendation that will completely screw things up? :vD

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