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Black Legion rules review
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:59 pm 
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How about removing the 0-2 limit but state that all Decimators have to be organised in less formations as possible.
So if you buy say 8 Decimators they have to beorganised in 2 formations of 3 Decimators and a formation of 2 Decimators.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:02 pm 
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This list is very beardy and Stormhammers are too good as it is.


Agreed, Stormhammers are overpowered and they need an Errata nerf down to 10cm speed ASAP ; As far as I'm concerned (And I wrote the Minervan army list) the 15cm speed Stormhammers area serious, list-breaking mistake.

Since Minervans can
a) Put the SC anywhere
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b) take better SHTs than Steel Legion

a) They pay 100pts for their Supreme Commander, unlike the free commander/high strategy rating/ cheap units of the Black Legion army list...



b) Other than the Stormhammer, I'd contest whether they're 'better'. Each Imperial SHT is supposed to have a unique role.

Baneblade - All-rounder
Shadowsword - Anti-Titan
Stormblade - Anti-Tank/heavy armour
Stormsword - Anti-Infantry
Stormhammer - Short-ranged firepower*.

Against a non-appropriate enemy (A Stormsword fighting AVs, or a Stormblade fighting infantry in cover), they're appropriately poor**.


*Unfortunately, the last-minute change of the Stormhammer after I handed the list over to Moscovian up to 15cm speed has made it very overpowered.

**Unlike a Decimator, which is pretty darn good against any target type.




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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:09 pm 
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Quote: (Ginger @ 05 Aug. 2008, 16:53 )

Putting them in the titan-air restriction would help significantly and IMHO is the thing to be tested. I might add, I cannot remember seeing many BL A/c in competitions, probably because point-for-point, Decimators and Ferals are so much better - and they can contest objectives too!

You did not see many BL aircraft as the Hell Talons were 50% overpriced and the Swiftdeaths both sucked and lacked a model.

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 Post subject: Black Legion rules review
PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:11 pm 
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Quote: (pixelgeek @ 05 Aug. 2008, 16:51 )

I think that there is no reason for them to be Fearless.

Without Fearless I would see no reason at all restricting them, except for style reasons. BL is supposed to generate that SM-Legion feel after all..

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 Post subject: Black Legion rules review
PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:16 pm 
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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 05 Aug. 2008, 17:02 )

a) They pay 100pts for their Supreme Commander, unlike the free commander/high strategy rating/ cheap units of the Black Legion army list...

"Free" as in free Eldar Avatar, free Ork Warlord, free IG Commissars.

I´m all for pointing free units, across the board.

Oh, and cheap units? Which ones?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:28 pm 
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Yeah to 100 point SC isn't free, but:

Avatar requires a live Farseer
Chaos is a Lord upgrade so you need to take a formation with one.

Minervan SC can go in a Stormhammer and be fearless since there's a commissar sitting next to him.

For more Minervan talk I'll be making a new thread lest I derail this one and be killed...

I wasn't aware Decimators were fearless, I must have been under a rock  :blush:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:30 pm 
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Quote: (BlackLegion @ 05 Aug. 2008, 16:59 )

How about removing the 0-2 limit but state that all Decimators have to be organised in less formations as possible.
So if you buy say 8 Decimators they have to beorganised in 2 formations of 3 Decimators and a formation of 2 Decimators.

Why a special rule for this SHT? Don´t see the point why we should alter the process of putting formations together just for a Decimator. Restrict them (0-2 or titan pool) and finished.  :_(  I agree there are more urgent tasks to do for that list than another rule.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:37 pm 
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This is part of the FOC and not a specialrule. And it emphasis the horde feel (= huge formations) of the BlackLegion.




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Soren
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:48 pm 
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Hordes of infantry I agree, but not hordes of SHT

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Well certainly not hordes of independent acting SHTs :)

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Quote: (Ginger @ 05 Aug. 2008, 07:53 )

I might add, I cannot remember seeing many BL A/c in competitions, probably because point-for-point, Decimators and Ferals are so much better - and they can contest objectives too!

These are probably the first set of aircraft that not only have models available for them but are also worth fielding.

Ferals are too good and need a tweak, and the Decimators are probably fine as they are but Fearless and in large numbers made them problematic... or at least that was the perception. I never played four of them in a list before so I can't really say.

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Quote: (Soren @ 05 Aug. 2008, 08:48 )

Hordes of infantry I agree, but not hordes of SHT

Hordes of SHTs are a bad thing :-)

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Quote: (BlackLegion @ 05 Aug. 2008, 08:56 )

Well certainly not hordes of independent acting SHTs :)

I would think that given that the Decimator has a barrage weapon that its probably worse in formations :-)

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Decimators look like they're best in pairs.

So does no one know why they're Fearless?

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because the first shot was making all Chaos units fearless, until someone realized that this is a bad idea

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