Mhm In my mind there float the standard Deamon types we all know (Bloodletters, plaguebearers..) and their bigger cousins (greater deamons) and some generic deamons beasts. Maybe with a little backup from titan sized Chaos spawns. But I think definitely the greater Deamons should be the leaders and commanders of the army. And of course hatred factions are forbidden mixing up. If I sum up thats about 10 or 12 standard deamon types and 4 greater deamons, adding chaos spawns we get 15-17 different types of units. Quite a good stock and we do not have to reinvent the wheel.

just my 0,000002 cent

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Warmaster Greater Daemons are about the size of a Warhound Titan, W40k Greater Daemons are all larger than a Warlord Titan by a considerable margin.

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Can't?

And YMMV, I think they are ridiculously oversized for GDs.

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Oh yes. I don't know why GW/SG decided to make an oversized Avatar too.
The Epic40k era Avatar has just the right size. The EA Avatar ist just oversized...and so are the Greater Daemons.
In E40k i used Wh40k Nurglings as Great Unclean Ones and they fitted perfectly.

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Yes, it is the perfect size to be an AV.

It's smaller than a Land Raider!

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Not my question, actually, maybe the abbreviations was a bad idea.

I wanted to know about the difference between a 40k/Fantasy Bloodletter, the lesser daemon, and a Warmaster Bloodthirster, the greater guy.

If Warmaster GDs are Warhound sized then that would make them actually bigger than 40k daamons?

EDIT since I always forget to finish my posts...

Since Daemons are made out of raw Warp they should likely be tougher than their size would indicate, though the idea of a Great Unclean One being as big as even a scout titan seems a bit much.

Certainly there should be Titan sized daemons, but I don't think they should be the GDs, those guys are more like super Nobz.

Taking a page from Apocalypse I'd like to see a Bloodthirster Bloodbath formation (8 greater daemons of Khorne with Teleport).

I suspect it would be expensive >.>

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Some interesting discussion; has anyone had a look at my ideas yet?

It's going to have some inherent strategic limitations but it should be feasible.

I wanted to know about the difference between a 40k/Fantasy Bloodletter, the lesser daemon, and a Warmaster Bloodthirster, the greater guy.

If Warmaster GDs are Warhound sized then that would make them actually bigger than 40k daamons?

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I would work more with effects than with deamon engines....

for example, a units of tzeeentch deamons could get a BP attack as long as it is over 25% of the initial unit strength and not broken (deamonic fire)....

This would symbolize the effect of hordes of deamons and when they lose numbers they loose the connection to warp...and some of their abilities.....

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This idea looks like it has some merit now...So I'll throw a few ideas at you:
Daemononic Minions formation- Use current stats, daemonic champion/herald as leader upgrade, GD and DP maybe as upgrades, chaos spawn and daemonic beasts as upgrades with maybe soul grinder as well? Keep singular god formations due to rivalry

Daemonic beasts Packs- Again current stats, they work so why change them?

Avatar of Chaos formation- uber god-specific avatar (think bigger GD) with a coterie of GD's or DP's, you know you want to...
Daemon Engine formation- Using soul grinders as 'basic' unit, with one or 2 upgrades? Maybe a larger engine as a 'leader beast'? or a flak unit?

Get formations of all of the god specific daemon engines in for varietys sake as they are all daemon engines

For titans, I would go only a reaver or warlord size class titan and alter it considerably under the guise of a "daemon titan"

Chaos spawn packs

Gargantuan chaos spawn? Either as a war engine or a chaos spawn pack upgrade

Chaos altar, similar in vein to the LoTD one

Definetelly get Aether Sharks in there, but keep them limited

Rules wise:
Whole army teleport? Similar in vein to the 40k rules, but keep strategy rating low to counter this
Initiative 1+ with maybe -1 if within 15/30cm (?) of a another god's formation to represent bickering?
Huge variery of units (as above)
Keep Anti-air as a distinct weakness IMHO, and the maybe one titan class as the GD are effectivelly small titans, as well as the larger daemon engines such as plague towers, warp palaces, lord of battles etc...

Feel free to tell me I'm a fool but it felt nice writing that

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I really like this idea, because I initially started with the concept that the number of units in the formation would depend upon which faction the daemons belonged to, e.g. 8 being the number of Khorne, so you'd take 8 units of Bloodletters in the formation.  But this would lead to all sorts of imbalances I guess, as some factions would have more units and larger formations than others.

This is a perfect solution, a bit of a beaut in fact!    

And the idea of them losing numbers = loss of connection to the warp reflects the background too...

All very keen ideas.

The number 1 aim of a list should be to make it playable and even with my issues regarding the Daemon Engines, the primary problem with them is availability. Most gamers simply cannot get them.

The core daemons are available either in the plastic CSM box or via the Warmaster daemons. One blister gives you six stands of deamons. They are a bit large (does anyone still have the comparision photos that Audrey took?) but readily available.

The Warmaster range also has a series of Deamon Characters that can be used as GDs and the aforementioned Greater Daemons that can be used as named Daemon characters with higher stats.

The Furies from the CSM list have an AA attack but there is no model for them.

The biggest problem I can see is that there is no AA and so there will have to be some effort made to add AA capabilities to some of the Daemon units. I would think that Flamers would be a good unit to add this to or perhaps even Screamers. Give them a limited aerial attack similar to the Furies.

The Flamer bombardment idea is pretty good as well and there is probably a lot of areas similar to that which can be explored.

The Daemonic Construct is probably a good idea if only to add the option for people to do DIY projects.

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Actually I am painting a huge pile of daemons for the Warp Rift scenario and I picked the 40K Chaos Daemon codex up at the same time. So I was looking at this stack of painted daemons and thinking...

Probably not a good idea :-)

BTW if anyone has any surplus plastic Bloodletters drop me a line as I need more for the units of Juggers I am doing. :-) Flamers as well :-)

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Screamers look like a good idea for an AA attack....

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Yeah, good call - though, as pixelgeek has suggested with daemon engines, availability of models is an issue...

Regarding the use of Warmaster Lesser Daemon figures, I'd say it's not a problem as, with the fluff being vague enough, you can justify it by saying that daemons come in all shapes and sizes...