Ok, as promised, this is the start of some background information to get the team all on the same page. In looking at some of the recent threads on the current list, there are quite a few "Why did he do that?" comments out there. Fair enough, at the time I was finished with the current list, I was also working with SG to get the following article posted in their online mag.

Let's just say that the Goths conquered Rome before that could happen. So, below I have an article that I wrote that was intended to introduce the Elysians to a greater audience.

So without further ado...

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The Elysian Drop Troop Army List


The Elysian Drop Troops are renowned throughout the galaxy and are counted among the Imperial Guards most elite formations. Specializing in airmobile operations, the Elysians are the masters of high maneuver and vertical envelopment. The Elysians seem to appear out of nowhere, quickly striking at key objectives in the support of a larger operation, or sowing confusion and disrupting enemy lines of communication.

Unlike other foot-borne forces, the Elysians provide a player an unparalleled degree of mobility and the ability to focus at a selected point of attack. The hit-and-run nature of their combat doctrine makes them extremely difficult to defend against as an opposing general is never really sure where they will strike.

One of the side benefits of using Elysian forces in any campaign is the psychological effects they have on enemy planning. It is extremely common to observe in after action reports (AARs), enemy command staff decision paralysis when faced with the possibility of Elysian troops deploying “in theatreâ€Â

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- 23rd Elysian Drop Regiment

Battle Report using a circa 2.0 list

I think what should be drawn from this report is the fragility of the Elysian units and how that impacts your list in later turns. The Saim Hann list has been revamped since then, but still features lots of mobile, hard hitting core troops that are difficult for the Elysians to deal with.

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Battle Report – Elysians vs. Biel Tan


Ok, it was almost like an Inaugural ball, except that the music was better. To the strains of Wagner’s “Ride of the Valkyriesâ€Â

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- 23rd Elysian Drop Regiment

I think I've been saying this for years ; I strongly disagree with the weapon armament you've given to the Veterans.

In 40k, you give Hardened Veterans Meltaguns, every time. They are the tank hunters of the Elysian list, dropping into unexpected areas and melting the enemy's tanks... Multi-Melta Sentinels just have too few shots with too low a ballistic skill to be relied upon as tank hunters, whilst Veterens will kill their target every single time.

Sniper Rifles are given to Special Weapons Squads, where the lack of enhanced accuracy isn't so much of an issue.

So yeah, I suggest splitting 'Veterans' into 'Veterans' and 'Snipers', each with a different role.

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Thanks for bringing us up to date with your thoughts Honda

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Honda,

Will you be keeping the the Elysian list compatible with the Imperial Guard changes (the ranges on the Vulture seem to be the only thing that came up that would matter here)?

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I think I've been saying this for years ; I strongly disagree with the weapon armament you've given to the Veterans.

In 40k, you give Hardened Veterans Meltaguns, every time. They are the tank hunters of the Elysian list, dropping into unexpected areas and melting the enemy's tanks... Multi-Melta Sentinels just have too few shots with too low a ballistic skill to be relied upon as tank hunters, whilst Veterens will kill their target every single time.

Sniper Rifles are given to Special Weapons Squads, where the lack of enhanced accuracy isn't so much of an issue.

So yeah, I suggest splitting 'Veterans' into 'Veterans' and 'Snipers', each with a different role.

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I don't know if these are all of them but its everything I believe will affect Elysians.

Bombers. Going to 250 in the other Imperial lists.
Commissars special rule.
Vulture missiles become 90cm.

Just let us know what the stats are you want us playing with so we're all on the same page.  If you need help with the pdf file let me know and I'll assist.

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@Moscovian

Will do. Also, I have another battle report that I can post either tonight or tomorrow.

Cheers,

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- 23rd Elysian Drop Regiment

I do like a confident autocrat.

But I feel no need to ask his permission to use the changes every other IG army is already agreeing to, I'll simply use those when I get a chance to test these guys if only because I'm only going to remember one set of stats for each unit.  

Mosc, you forgot Maruaders going to 3BP, which while it might not be directly effecting the Elysians it should certainly influence the stats of the Marauder variant they have.

I can't comment on the list though since I can't find it.  

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FW have no intention to reprint their IA:III when the new IG codex comes out.

The Elysian list will remain as-is, regardless of any changes that may occur in the Cadian (GW IG Codex) list.

As far as splitting the vets into "vets" and "snipers", that is far too fiddly and more of a 40K perspective than Epic. Each formation was assigned a specific role. That is one of the keys to understanding this list.

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@E&C: Well there should be an army list which can use Lightnings and Marauder Destroyers. Why not start with the Elysians?

Have you such a dislike against Lightnings/Marauder Destroyers? I remember you stopped giving comments on the Armageddon Steel Legion PDF the moment you realised i put in these variant aircrafts instead of the regular ones, too.

So what tips you off about them?

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So what tips you off about them?

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Reply here
http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums....y264955

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Sorry to be blunt, but I simply don't see the need to use the variant aircraft here.

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- 23rd Elysian Drop Regiment