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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:35 pm 
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After having a look at the astounding armies in this site I have been casting a critical eye over my own. I was once happy enough to paint things to a 'that'll do' standard but I have been increasingly feeling ill at ease with posting any of my models on line as anything other than a joke.  :(


Point in question. I have great difficulty with IG armour and never enjoy painting it. Where's the shading and the highlight. Very little detail and paint chipped all over the place. (sigh!)

Please can some of you helpful and friendly people find the time to throw some painting tips my way with (dare I ask) photo illustrations as a step by step guide. I am sure that other readers would appreciate the help too.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:30 am 
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when i painted my desert theme, i painted Snakebite Leather, chestnut ink wash then drybrushed Desert Yellow. Then i  added metals and blacks. The ink really brought out all the little detail with minimal work.

Thankfully, GW now produces are a much larger line of inks to work with. A 'test tank" really helped me figure out how to paint epic scale models...sadly... all the brake fluid in the world won't save that poor poor leman russ :(

By the way Warhead, your tanks look alright to me. Remember, you and your opponent are looking at these things from about 3-4 feet away. You can only see so much at that distance. Most of these guys on here don't have lives lol and are married with kids... well... same thing i guess.




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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 1:37 am 
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I think your tanks look good. All they really need to help them stand out is a wash of black ink (will leave a slightly shiny surface) or something similar. I have used both Woodland Scenics Black pigment and Black Acrylic paint (diluted with water).

Sometimes you need to add a drop of dishwashing liquid to help the black wash flow into all the nooks and cranies.

Here's a pic to help discribe what I mean.


A spray  coating of Testors Dullcote will certainly help protect the models and take away the shiny surface.

Hope this helps mate.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:06 am 
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You can also use "magic wash".  Just add some GW black or brown ink to Future (or it's local equivalent).  Slap on any model for instant shading.  You will need to matt coat afterwards if you don't like the glossy finish though.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:33 am 
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You've got the camo pattern down fine, which with guard tanks is half the battle (if not all of it)

If you're after a matt finish, I'd go a wash of the new GW devlan mud and then a wash of the Bhadab Black, you'll be amazed at how easy and effective it is.
The new gw washes have virtually the same effect (if not a little better) then the woodland scenics pigments that onyx uses to paint everything.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:49 am 
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Yes, the new G/W washes look like they will revolutionize painting !  But any way the short answer - base coat, wash, dry brush, detail, spray with clear flat ... :D

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Warhead
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:43 am 
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Hi Guys, ?:D

Thanks for all the advice and helpful tips. It's exactly what I needed. (Onyx, thanks for the example, awesome as ever) I'll give it a try and post my results here later.
Good news about the Washes as I already ordered a set from GW yesterday.
Perhaps I am being overly critical of my stuff but who can resist wanting their minis to look cool on the table. ?:p ?Who knows it may even help win a few battles... If I'm taking pics for future Battle Reports I want them to look their best.

spray with clear flat ... ?

A spray ?coating of Testors Dullcote
Is this a matt varnish spray? I do not know the jargon yet.

Most of these guys on here don't have lives lol and are married with kids... well... same thing i guess.
Yup, I have a sprog and wife and consider them my finest collection. ? :laugh: ?She's very tolerant fortunately and the wee yun (Little one) is right into the game but still too young.

Thanks again. :D

Cheers, Jim...




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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:48 am 
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Looks like the paint is too thick on your models, the tanks are large enough you can thin your paints and it won't take forever to coat the model. Once have a nice solid coat on it you can hit the washes and inks to bring up the color and add shading like others have mentioned. Also be careful on metallics. A little goes a long way in most instances and a heavy solid coat doesn't always turn out looking realistic.




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Hi Guys, here are my efforts so far...
(I advise some kind of harness restraint or head protection to save against unwanted injury from explosive laughter) :D

Looks like the paint is too thick on your models


Hi Vaaish, most of my models are pre-owned and so have been painted previously. I've never used paint stripper, never even thought about it until reading some of the comments in this site. Guess I'll need to re-think that one and get some supplies.

Confident and buoyed by the support and advice from a few good people I head straight for my latest painting task...


Base Coat Applied. Normally I would go onto the detail from here. (Rush job so I can paint something I like. Tyranids, Orks... the Kitchen... even next doors cat, it's a long story.)


Wash Applied. Looks like a disaster. Note to self: More water less ink!.. However I will attempt Drybrushing when it is dry.  (Anyone want to buy a new style E40K Manticore?..)   :laugh:

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it takes some practise to get washing right but when you do its one of the best ways to paint epic. id recomend a bottle of the new gw washes. the badad black. thin it down abit and apply.

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Yup, I have a sprog and wife and consider them my finest collection.   :laugh:  She's very tolerant fortunately and the wee yun (Little one) is right into the game but still too young.


my Fiancee is my among my finest as well and i'll be joining the rest of you, having a little ammo grot running around in a year or so. ;) lol Who knows, my painting my improve because of it as well.

On to the painting... on thing you could try is after applying the ink wash, clean your brush and then go over the model, removing excess ink from the raised surfaces. You only want that ink in the recesses. I'll agree with Widgren, the GW washes are REALLY good and worth $5/pot.

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A spray  coating of Testors Dullcote
Is this a matt varnish spray? I do not know the jargon yet.


Yes

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Hi Fella's, :D

I find that things are not a total loss as I am very surprised and pleased after having just applied a dry brush of Cammo Green and Kommando Khaki. There are miles of room for improvement (with lots of practice ahead 60,000+pnt IG/TG/PDF army to paint) but it beats the heck out of what I was doing before (and that's even before I tackle the metal bits.)



See what you think and let me know... (This is great, I should have asked for help years ago.) Thanks again for all your support and advice.  

my Fiancee is my among my finest as well and i'll be joining the rest of you, having a little ammo grot running around in a year or so. ;) lol Who knows, my painting my improve because of it as well.

rose4100 just wait, you'll love it. It's hard work but having a family is the greatest thing I've ever done.  :D

Yes

LOL  :laugh: Mark, you are what we call a cheeky git!  :D

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Hi Vaaish, most of my models are pre-owned and so have been painted previously.


Especially with preowned ones you have a good chance of thick layers of paint obscuring details. I think this has already been mentioned but ad a touch of liquid soap to you thinner so you don't get hard edges on your washes.

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Chap, don't forget the back issues of Incoming! at www.netepic.org.

Incoming! has a ton of painting articles in it which have all helped me considerably.

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