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darkangel
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:18 pm 
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i hope you just forgot to say that the warp gate counts as a ethernal psychic atack if it should open in the mittle of a titan???

if not, a 100 points Shokk Attack Gun mob can destroy an imperator titan with one shot!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:00 pm 
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(darkangel @ Sep. 26 2007,21:18)
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i hope you just forgot to say that the warp gate counts as a ethernal psychic atack if it should open in the mittle of a titan???

if not, a 100 points Shokk Attack Gun mob can destroy an imperator titan with one shot!

a successful "immediate destroy" result is rare, and should only lead to a roll on the proper damage table.

But yes, ork units are untrustable but potentially higly destructive.
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darkangel
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:14 pm 
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(Ulmo @ Sep. 27 2007,22:00)
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(darkangel @ Sep. 26 2007,21:18)
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i hope you just forgot to say that the warp gate counts as a ethernal psychic atack if it should open in the mittle of a titan???

if not, a 100 points Shokk Attack Gun mob can destroy an imperator titan with one shot!

a successful "immediate destroy" result is rare, and should only lead to a roll on the proper damage table.

But yes, ork units are untrustable but potentially higly destructive.

point 1)
rare? 2 detachments give me 8 tries do have a hit plus a double...it is not as rare as you think and it costs me 200 points to destroy a 2250 points imperator titan...balance?

point 2)
they create a warp field...what does te warp missle create? and this is a ethernal psychic attack...te one warp is and the other not?...hmmmm...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:37 am 
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Hi!

There is something missing in that description. Targets with active shields are immune to this weapon until the shields are down.

Zap please add these to the appropriate unit in the ork book.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:37 am 
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Is there really a problem here?  If my quick mental arithmetic is correct you have a 1 in 18 chance of a Hit + Double, and would still scatter and roll normally.  So if worse case a 5-6 on a damage roll kits the Imperator, even ignoring scatter that's a 1 in 54 chance of killing an Imperator.  Compare to a Warp Missile at around the same points cost......

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darkangel
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:17 am 
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(zap123 @ Sep. 28 2007,03:37)
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like primarch said, shields down, chance to destroy a titan...let us keep the church in house zap
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:48 am 
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Sorry, I missed the Church reference?

Given that it creates a Warp Tunnel it is not fluff logical that shields have any effect (cite the Warp Missile description).  I can understand making such a call if balance warranted it.....but Shockies are heavily restricted and have become kinda ineffectual against Titans already.  I note under the 4.1 list it clearly specifies that the Shock Attack Gun bypasses shields!

If we do go ahead, is this Immunity only vs. a Hit+Double result?  Surely the snotlings could still fight the shielded unit in close combat.....everything else can....

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:49 am 
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(zap123 @ Sep. 28 2007,07:48)
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Sorry, I missed the Church reference?

Given that it creates a Warp Tunnel it is not fluff logical that shields have any effect (cite the Warp Missile description). ?I can understand making such a call if balance warranted it.....but Shockies are heavily restricted and have become kinda ineffectual against Titans already. ?I note under the 4.1 list it clearly specifies that the Shock Attack Gun bypasses shields!

If we do go ahead, is this Immunity only vs. a Hit+Double result? ?Surely the snotlings could still fight the shielded unit in close combat.....everything else can....

ohhh... :blush:  it is a german phrase..."die kirche im haus lassen" or "die kirche im dorf lassen" :cool: i have not considered that it could be only a german phrase :laugh:

it is ok for me, when then shokks bypass shields like a warp missle but then it should be an ethernal psychic attack which gives you a psychic save!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:09 am 
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Hi!

You make a very good case Zap, and I have to agree, leave as is. The probabilities of such a hit, plus the scatter is quite high. So high that you wont see it every day. Add to the change of 1 in 18 the chance of no scatter (1 in 8) and also rolling a 6 on the damage chart (1 in 6) it would be something like (18 x 8 x 6) a 1 in 864 chance. of knocking out a titan in one shot.

Those are long odds.

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(primarch @ Sep. 30 2007,05:09)
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Hi!

You make a very good case Zap, and I have to agree, leave as is. The probabilities of such a hit, plus the scatter is quite high. So high that you wont see it every day. Add to the change of 1 in 18 the chance of no scatter (1 in 8) and also rolling a 6 on the damage chart (1 in 6) it would be something like (18 x 8 x 6) a 1 in 864 chance. of knocking out a titan in one shot.

Those are long odds.

Primarch

ok, you have conviced me...the change is less...but perhaps we should change the word "warp" in the text to something else...maybe a kind of "black hole" or somthing like that.

fact is the shokks create a warp field and the warp missle too...one the one hand it is an ethereal psychic attack on the other hand not...

this leads to confusions, like i was...
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