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Compare/combine salamander lists
BlackLegion
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 11:53 am 
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re Terminator DropPods: Ok no extra points costs. They can't use Teleport but gain an Deathwing attack. evens it out i think :)

re Devastators: Ok. 1+ as upgrade. No big deal here :)

re Hunter: Hmm ok lets try it.

Now only one point left:
Why only one Attack Bike at maximum in the Fast Attack Detachment?

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 Post subject: Compare/combine salamander lists
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 12:09 pm 
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They do. Only half the number fit inside (5 marines instead of 10) but according to Codex: Space Marines and Codex: Black Templars Terminators can use DropPods. Even in the upcoming Codex: Blood Angels in the next White Dwarf their Terminators can use DropPods too.

Only DarkAngels Terminators don't use them (understandable, they have the Deathwing Assault ability).




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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 1:20 pm 
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re Terminator DropPods: Ok no extra points costs. They can't use Teleport but gain an Deathwing attack. evens it out i think :)

Now only one point left:
Why only one Attack Bike at maximum in the Fast Attack Detachment?

Hmm, they can't teleport? Do you mean they aren't teleporting but drop podding or they can't teleport full stop?

Attack bike - ts definatively needs the FF4+ - however I worry that people would see them now as preferably to a land speeders and use 5 instead of speeders. It makes teh choice fairly even and if you can get the enemy to play your game the attack bike is slightly better. At 555+ though its a waste of time - links to that worry really so starting small as it were before ramping up - if its always taken them look at stats for changes?

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 Post subject: Compare/combine salamander lists
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2007 6:49 pm 
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They cant use Teleport in the same way Devastators, Tacticals and Scouts can't use their Rhinos if droppoding.
They don't loose the ability, but they can't use it naturally.

Yes at FF5+ it's worse than LandSpeeder. But at FF4+ it evens out with the higher Speed, Scout and Skimmer of the Landspeeder.

So no need to restrict AttackBikes to only one.

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 7:13 am 
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Ah so not using the speed 35 attack bikes? Fairy snuff, its seems we concur then. I shall be able to get my first game in in 2-3 weeks time I reckon.

Plus my salamanders are prettier than yours  :p

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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 2:41 pm 
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According to IA2 only 5 Marines fit into a Droppod. In Codex: SpaceMarines, etc 10 Marines fit in.

@Chris: Ah rigt...i forgot again about the proposed changes. But Scout and Skimmer against better FF....it's still a good trade.

And i only belive that your Salamanders are prettier if i see pictures :p




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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 5:35 pm 
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Another idea i read froma fan-made Salamanders Codex: How about give the Predator Incinerator an InfernoCannon (30cm AP3+ IgnoreCover) instead of the Autocannon?

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I can see why it would be attractive however several questions would arise - 1, where does it keep all the fuel being smaller? 2, how would you then fuel and man the heavy flamers? 3, why not just use a hellhound?

A more likely varient would be replacing a vindicators demolisher cannon. More space etc and also a chassis designed (after our revisions :) ) for urban/close in combat.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:58 pm 
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Well the Hellhound has this two fuel-tanks outside of its hull. No clue whats inside the hull itself.
The Incinerator has 2 crewmembers, a driver and a gunner.  The ammunition storage fills out the whole rear of the Predator, there you could strore the fuel for the flamers instead.

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 3:40 pm 
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BUMP! :D

Only a reminder that we don't have a consensus yet ;) But we are close.

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I am pausing on this for just a few more days then I have a break of a week to work on stuff!

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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2007 8:36 pm 
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On a different note here is the fully painted stuff I have
Tactical
Devestator
Assault
Terminator
Chaplain + Assault
Librarian + Terminator
Captain + Tactical (boring old model)
Rhino (new)
Land Raider (new)
Pred Annihilator (new)
Pred Destructor (new)
Whirlwind (new)
Hunter (new)
Thunderhawk

And part painted
Dread CC
Dread ranged
Bikes (old plastic)
Attack Bikes (for some reason mounted three to a stand)
Land speeders (3rd ed)
Scouts
Razorback (3rd ed)
Vindicator (3rd ed)

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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 12:54 am 
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Cool. I have:

Tactical
Assault
Devastator
Captain + Tactical (fully outkitted metal models)
Chaplain + Assault
Librarian + Devastator
Scouts (with heavy Bolters)
Terminators (Assault Terminators)
Predator Destructor (new)
Predator Annihilator (new)
Hunter (new)
Whirlwind (new)
Rhino (new)
CC Dreadnought
Multi-melta Dreadnought

Partly painted:
Thunderhawek
Droppods
Ranged Dreadnought

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