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AV + WE Round Two
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:43 am 
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It strikes me that we really could do with our nid champion back at the helm to advise and lead.

I don't know Jaldon personally but he has been notably absent for some time now so I hope he's okay!

Does anyone know when he's going to be back with us?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 1:12 pm 
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Jervis' ideas mesh pretty well with giving it 4x Bio-Cannon shots and also some MWTK Extra CC Attacks.

Now I'm happy to have modular arms (So if you want you can have / pay for a template weapon), but you should be able to build the basic 2x Bio Cannon Hierophant.

It's still very CC biased remember (6 basic attacks, plus some MWTK attacks too). Certainly superior to an Imperial Titan, and a lot cheaper pointswise (3 Hierophants to 1 Warlord!).

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:02 pm 
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The EA on the 'standard' Hierophant need to be MW status at the least.

Again, check the standard Heirophant stats from IA:4 and let them guide you.



I'd go with:

2x Bio Cannon (2x AP3+ / AT4+)
2x Hierophant Claws / +2 MWTK(1) CC attacks


OR:

Pyro Acid Spray / Template / AP4+/AT5+ Ignores Cover
2x Massive Hierophant Claws / +2 MWTK (d3) attacks

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:48 pm 
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I look forward to seeing your cleaned up version (7.1.1?)

Can I suggest the following for the critical effect for the Dominatrix ...

Critical Hit 1D6
1-4 Lose one extra DC
5 Lose one extra DC and the Dominatrix?s Symbiote is killed, the Dominatrix loses Supreme Commander
6 The Dominatrix is killed

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:05 pm 
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(Lightbringer @ Jan. 23 2007,14:48)
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6 The Dominatrix is killed

I do not want to see an "instant kill" critical effect on the Dominatrix.  

She's already incredibly vulnerable, especially for 500 points (600-700 with a couple of WE "bodyguards").

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 4:14 pm 
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Aye, the Dominatrix is already too expensive for me to consider it... a worse critical hit table will just make it less attractive.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:10 pm 
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Fair enough - in that case should we not consider removing the 'instant kill' critical from the Hydraphant?

After all its the same beasty chassis and under the new proposals will cost 400 points.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 5:22 pm 
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As ever, I think tieing the Hydraphant to the Dominatrix is a daft idea, since the models are so incredibly different and they won't be changing to be the same, as was the original plan.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:18 pm 
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(Evil and Chaos @ Jan. 23 2007,12:12)
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It's still very CC biased remember (6 basic attacks, plus some MWTK attacks too). Certainly superior to an Imperial Titan, and a lot cheaper pointswise (3 Hierophants to 1 Warlord!).

Why it has to cost exactly 250 points? I think it would be better to make stats for it first and then see how much it should cost (make it overpriced and lower the cost if necessary). I think 6 cc attacks, 2 mwtk attacks, 6 dc, regenerate and 4 biocannon for 250 points would be too damn cheap. Make it killy, if you want, but dont make it killy and cheap. Or I want Krawla Gargant for 250 points too! *grins*

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 Post subject: AV + WE Round Two
PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:21 pm 
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Again, I don't have any problem with upping the cost of a rebalanced Hierophant.

I'd rather have the Hierophant in Epic reflect the attributes of the Hierophant in 40k / the background, than neuter it for the sake of making it 250 points...

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