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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers?  Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:41 pm |
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Hi!
How about a drab brown or grey?
It's pretty low key and those would blend in with the rotten woods and broken buildings of the slums.
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 2:15 am |
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Primarch,
How about a drab brown or grey?
It's pretty low key and those would blend in with the rotten woods and broken buildings of the slums. |
They already have an illustration of the Jopallis on the GW Armageddon web site.
They wear the green and white marsh ambush pattern.
I thought about posting the image here, but it's GW and I don't want their IP people to track us down and slay the site.
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 4:19 am |
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| Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 04 2003 Aug.,18:15) | | I thought about posting the image here, but it's GW and I don't want their IP people to track us down and slay the site. |
You could post the URL though 
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 4:39 am |
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Bottom Line, in my mind, tactical colors is the way to go ... as Primarch suggested. But you all have heard my feelings about Disneyland colors for military units ! 
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 4:48 am |
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Oh, very cool fluff, especially the little anecdote about the basilisk.
The Jopalli's seem to be very much about practicality, so I could imagine them wearing just about anything as long as it lets them blend in better. They seem very mercenary, so I could see them, for example, buying or scavenging equipment and uniforms to better blend in. In fact, the fluff specifically mentions them infiltrating militia forces, so I can imagine certain regiments would purchase and wear local HiveWear?. I agree with Primarch, drab browns and grey.
As for morale, they seem to have as much reason to fight as any other, and certainly a lot of combat experience.
As an aside, I think one thing to consider about the whole morale issue is that there is an upper limit: troops who will fight to the death. And while I'd generally bet on the well-trained troops, religious fanatics and those with immense personal stake can reach that threshold without brainwashing ala space marines.
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 5:15 am |
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"Brainwashing", obviously, will effect motivation.
However, "brainwashed" troops, Japanese Banzai and Kamikazis, moslem fanatics, etc., in the big picture may achieve a tactical victory but in long run contribute to strategic failure.
However, history is full of examples on both ends of the spectrum. But in a Sci-fi wargame it presents an interesting scenario...
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2003 8:29 pm |
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Has anyone else built PDF or Hive Gangers infantry?
I have three companies of Jopallis built now and hope to get their support weapons built next.
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2003 2:15 am |
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Does anyone know if the newer E-A PDF / Siege units have Mole Mortars?
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2003 8:58 am |
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| Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 03 2003 Nov.,01:15) | Does anyone know if the newer E-A PDF / Siege units have Mole Mortars?
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I doubt it; in the current fluff GW has dumped most of the high-tech weapons of the Guard (jump packs, land speeders, etc.). 
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2003 11:03 pm |
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Having decided to get a new marine army with the shiny new models, I'm trying to plan out what I might want to take for it and seeing as I'll probably buy the models before I get a chance to play the game I thought I'd ask for some advice here see if you guys think the army list sounds ok:
3000pt Solar Guard Space Marine Army
(UPDATED VERSION OF LIST DOWN THREAD WANTING NEW COMMENTSES...)
Tactical Detachment(300) - 6 Razorbacks(+150) - 450pts
Devestator Detachment(250) - Dreadnought(+50), Hunter(+75) - 375pts
Scout Detachment(150) - Sniper(+25) - 175pts
Bike Detachment(200) - Chaplain(+50) - 250pts
Land Speeder Detachment(200) - 3 Typhoons(+75) 275pts
Whirlwind Detachment(300) - Hunter(+75) - 375pts
Predator Detachment(300) - 300pts
2 Marauder Destroyers(300) - 300pts
2 Warhound Titans(500) - 500pts
Total: 3000pts
(Just in case you were wondering about the number of Razorbacks the chapter is based in Earths Solar system and its in their background that they are particularly well equipped)
Comments/Suggestions?...
Glyn
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:46 am |
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No Land Raiders, Vindicators, or Assault SMs ? And are you short Transport (Rhinos if not Raiders) for all your Infantry ? 
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:02 am |
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It looks okay, but you have bought a lot of upgrades (I'm assuming because you want to buy as many of the new things as possible ) which means its even smaller than a marine army already is.
I dont think you need to upgrade 3 land speeders. 1 or 2 should be enough. Maybe keep 1 rhino in the tac unit to take hits/supression off of the razor backs. I'm not sure what scouts are like, I've never used them. Mainly because nothing about them stands out.
Maybe try only having thunderbolts instead of marauders, or even a Thunderhawk. This would all save points to buy another unit.
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2003 6:19 pm |
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That's very shooty for a marine force. That's not bad but you are going to have to watch out.
Marines shine in assault-heavy battles. With a heavy firepower version, you will not be able to go toe to toe with firepower, and you have lost some of your assault advantage, too.
In general, I'd say you will have to remain very mobile, probably doing at least one major redeployment during a game, in order to concentrate your firepower in a small area while presenting a small frontage of potential targets. If you get caught in a battle of attrition, you will lose.
It's almost an Eldar style of fight. With that in mind, I might drop the dread from the devastator detachment because it will hinder your mobility.
I'm also doubtful as to the effectiveness of mixed speeder formations, but it's worth a try.
Personally, I'm big proponent of plain old tacs, with a handful of commanders scattered around. They are just extremely tactically flexible.
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Post subject: Anyone making E-A IG militia / hive gangers? Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2003 8:47 pm |
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Hi there,
I'd agree with Neal on many points. I think it's far to shooty for a Marine list.
Definately drop the Dread from the Dev detachment, I used to have 2 as a matter of course in my Devs detachments, but some games the formation never got into a good firing position. Use the 50 points for a Chaplain or Captain in the Tact formation.
They do have their uses though, IMHO. If your going to garrison some Tact/Dev detachments then they will be fine, or if you're dropping in a Tact squad in pods. (they bolster the smaller, vehicleless unit)
I'd only use scouts in drop pods myself - a cheap harrassing unit to get crossfire bonuses for my advancing Tacts. I think it may have been Neal who inspired me to try that with posts elsewhere. ?
I think Termies are a must (just the one unit mind), they really worry opponents - especially IG ones.
I'm quite tempted to add an attack bike or LS Tornado to my formations just to give me the option to put a blast marker on a unit from a distance. Not sure 3 is the right number though.
I'd recommend more Tact formations above all else, maybe in a swap for the Preds. They really are the best marine unit. I always do better when I have at least 4 of them on the battlefield - If I had more available, i'd be tempted to use 6.
However if we all took exactly the Armies it would get very dull, very quickly ? ?So go for it, the shooty way, it will be a good challenge.
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Partly I guess but I'm basing my Epic army arround the same basic ideas as its planned 40K version and so am taking same sorts of things as that.
Maybe keep 1 rhino in the tac unit to take hits/supression off of the razor backs.It's probably be a good idea tactically speaking but I think I'll leave them as they are for background and differentiation reasons as my Chapter doesn't use Rhino's (with the possible exception of transporting scouts).
Maybe try only having thunderbolts instead of marauders, or even a Thunderhawk. This would all save points to buy another unit.Possibly, are Marauder's not any good? Pity, they're the only two models for the army I've already got so far (well apart from tons of plastic infantry), having bought two of the Huge ForgeWorld Marauder Destroyers.
However if we all took exactly the Armies it would get very dull, very quickly ? ?So go for it, the shooty way, it will be a good challenge. ? Exactly and I do like my armies to be a bit different and I want this to be a very shooty army, though I'm thinking about adding in another detachment of tactical marines and one of bikes to have some more numbers and punch in an assault...
Glyn
