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gary_clark1946

Post subject: NetEpic Gold Needs YOU!!

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:08 pm

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Zap,
What are the names of those?
I looked at the site but with my slow connection it took forever to go from one photo to another. Three hours and still didn't see everything! Those fancy sites are great as long as you have high speed. Otherwise they suck.

They do have some nice figs. And ther are a few things cheap on e-bay. At the moment I couldn't aford to pay attention.

The Hubries reall look small now that the army is done (Infantry). I may be able to use them but not without some big boys to go along. I may use them as Necron fighters instead. I don't know what else to use them for. They are great minis.
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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:42 pm

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(gary_clark1946 @ Nov. 30 2006,12:04)

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I am looking at EW, DRM, BT and the new Baccus walkers ,as well as a bunch of conversions that I have already made.

Christmass is near. I am retired. I have 9 kids and 8 grand kids!

So much to buy. so little money!

Primarch, I have heard that you had a Slann army somewhere?

I don't need anyone with a whole army (would be nice)but pics, drawings, anything that would help or give ideas. Unpainted is fine.

I can format and dress up the text and tables but without some sort of photos or art work the book is not going to be as impressive as the other completed book I have seen.

I will be able to get a few models done and painted but not the whole army. Titan ideas are a big thing. Some one give me a hand there. Hey! I'm groveling here!!!

Gary

Hi!

My Slann army is mostly Maatac minis and Battletech proxies. I'm thinking of enitrely redoing it in DRM and Exodus minis, so by all means assign and use minis from these lines.

You after all have the authority as book manager to do so.

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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:44 pm

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(zap123 @ Nov. 30 2006,19:07)

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I'd suggest any of the DRM Andrayada mega walkers as the Necron Titan....the Majestic is my fave but it might be a twee tall. I have no idea what the creator had in mind for the SLANN titans, but perhaps some of the CAV range:

SLANN Titan 1
SLANN titan 2
SLANN Titan 3

The Andrayada troops are the obvious choice for Necron proxies, and the Kraytonians as Dracons. For SLANN themselves, I could mock up some of the Battlesuits from the WizKids Mechwarrior infantry, and you could use the various DRM Kraytonian subjects as proxies for the SLANN vehicles. There are some GZG infantry with bulbous helmets that might do ok as SLANN foot troops. I could paint up a stand or two, and make a couple of stands of battlesuits if you'd like.

Hi!

I fully agree with your suggestion and it was the model I had in mind.

I totally suggest making more variants of such necron titians to use DRM other large sized models.

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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:50 pm

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(gary_clark1946 @ Dec. 04 2006,11:36)

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Thanks Zap,
I thought they looked a bit like Eldar.

Have been painting a bit on the Slann and Necrons.I have 2 companies and 2 detachments of Battle suits. That is a lot of robots. I did not do much conversion on the last batch. I have my eye on some of the new minis but these will be ok for now.

I am fairly sure that I am going to use 4 necrons per stand. Five just looks to crowded. It also stretches my supply of minis.
I am still working on designs for the Praetorians and Titans. I don't like the Necron Annihilator. Three sets of tracks??? Why an advanced race would build such a thing. Still playing around so maybe I will come up with something.

Ok, general question for anyone.....

Is there anything that says a main battle tank has to be big?
The DRM Hubries come in two versions.One can fit the Tormentor and the other the Punisher. They are the ones without turrets or transport ability.
Very high tech. The weapons of the two fit pk. The armour is a combination material angle and just hard to hit the small profile.
My biggest argument is that I just like them and want to use them.

I haven't picked a transport (APC) yet.

I know NetEpic Necron vehicles are not classed as skimmers but doesn't have to mean they are not. (they just can't pop-up). We are dealing with thousands or even millions of years, and spread out all over the galaxy. The technology may be the same but the army may not look the same. One other thing is that the Slann tend to look at everything as a work of art. All excused to go with what you feel.

Gary

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Gary, slann vehicles were first envisioned as skimmers, but i settled for tracked vehicles sine that is all Maatac had. If there are other tracked vehicles or even skimmer types to proxy, go ahead and use them. Also, the dracon, as lizardmen would use DRMs Kraytonians, they seem to fit quite well I think.

Overall, recommend and use any proxies you see fit as long as they can be obtained readily.

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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:10 pm

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(zap123 @ Dec. 05 2006,01:46)

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Sorry, but Hubries as a vehicle class unit doesn't work for me.....they're not really big enough to even be a walker. Are you using the Kraytonian vehicles for Necrons?

Some of the DRM buggies are great for the Exodus Slann.

Still casting about for what to use for the Slann knights and titans.

Hi!

In a real sense the most difficult part of the slann book is assigning proxies.

In order to give you guys more insight on the original vision of this army so as to make it easier to assign proxies.

At the core the true slann are few in number. Elites so to speak. They don't have regular infantry but the battlesuits. Back then only BT made those funky power armored types. DRM has a couple of dreadnought sized figs, but they look more like necron dreadnought proxies than slann ones. Perhaps future Exodus releases will have something more appropriate. Also some of the DSII power armored figs may be of used.

As it stands the BT variety may be the best choice.

Actual true slann vehicles were either never created or too few due to lack of suitable proxies, but now with the Kraytonian vehocles available, I'd use those. Actually as a distinction we could make new true slann skimmer vehiles and leave the necron ones as tracked. Opinions?

Knight figures, tough one. Only BT has stuff that comes close for now, some DRM ones could proxy but as the necron ones, not slann.

Titan figures, oh dear, complete loss on that one. The ones I own are from the now defunct large scale heavy gear line and the DRM ones are to be used as Necron proxies. eal tough one.

The exodus sann are somewhat easier and the wealth of exodus and DRM proxies will help you there greatly, since pretty much all the infantry and vehicles and buggies could be used.

For Dracon the infantry from the Kraytonian line is the way to go.

I'm kinda divided with the necron proxies for vehicles. Should they remain tracked? IF so its easy to proxy them with existing and future DRM and Exodus minis.

In essence I'm letting you know that you can pick pretty much anything as proxies and change or add more vehicles to fit the proxies.

After all thats what we did when i was created. Had we had the wealth of proxies there are now, the list would have been different, so I see no reason to change things now as is needed.

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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:14 pm

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(zap123 @ Dec. 06 2006,05:40)

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The Annihilator Battle Fortress is giving me problems. Having some knowledge of tracked vehicles, A vehicle with three sets of tracks is a bit impossible. It would only be usable on relatively flat ground and would be nearly impossible to turn. (tried to make a mock up to see how the tracks could work for turning but no luck.)

I figured it'd work just like a normal tank...make one side of tracks move faster than the other side and you turn. A tracked praetorian would have to be limited to flat ground regardless

I have an ok looking proxy, but it only has one turret...

back to the Hubries size again.... Slann are the oldest known race in the universe. They had a hand in clutivating the other races and techologies.
Why would they build big bulky vehicles? The Necron vehicles are entities, not crewed vehicles. APCs need to be larger to transport units but not so for tanks.
Yes, everyone likes to see big tanks but there is no necessity for it.

Tank = big gun, heavy armour, big power supply = big. Eh, the Hubries really dont do it for me at all. If you're wedded, just take the photo of the hubries on an artificially small base without any outside size reference.

Lots of ideas for Slann Mechs(some are way out of my budget). Still trying to come up with some skethces for the Titans.

Still trying to use WK stuff 'cos its' cheap. How about this for one of the Slann titans. Stands about the same height as a Warlord but bulkier. Lots of mega-Slann-like weaponry

. Matches the template sort of ok-ish.

I think some of the DRM figs will work good as some of the Dracons. Need three basic types. Big (Kroxigor), not so big (Suarus) and smaller (Skinks.) I am not sure if DRM has all three.

I think they really only have the not so big ones....again, unless you start doing tricky base size things

Hi!

Zap thats a great idea for a slann titan proxy!!

Are they easily available?

As far as the annihilator, change it if you like, as long as the model is sufficiently large to double as a praetorian classed vehicle it should be fine.

Like I said, make the rules fit the proxies, its only fair.

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Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 9:17 pm

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(zap123 @ Dec. 06 2006,10:35)

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WK = WizKids.

Game is called Mechwarrior, and it's a CMG. Common mechs like the one above go for maybe $1 on fleabay. Significantly cheaper than most alternatives

The game figures are nominally 1/160th scale, and there are probably 300-400 different sculpts counting inf/vehicles/mechs so there are some decent proxy candidates.

These are both about the length of an Ordinatus, though lower. The second one would be a possibility for the Necron Annihilator.

Hi!

Zap these proxy ideas totally kick ass!!

I'm liking the first too for the annihilator.

I'm going to this site as well, I think you may have solved the proxy issue for knights and some vehicles with these minis.

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gary_clark1946

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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:46 pm

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I love the first one. What is its name? (I will have to modify that turret though). I need to get two or three of them. I am thinking use two to make an Annihilator? I am just not thrilled with the look of the other one.

I need some names on the Mechs. It just takes me to long to go through their site.

I have my True Slann and Necrons completed up to 4000+ points each. And that is before vehicles! A company of either and its support easiliy breaks 2000 points.

Slann Battle suits are all converted plastic robots. The weapon on top had to go and some other weapons changes but nothing complicated. Twenty are all you are every likely to need (I have 40 ?

?). Vanguards are very slightly converted Chaos Dreads. (I converted

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Necrons are DRM. ?(Imortals,Raiders and Assault). Destroyers are again Chaos Dreds. (No spider looking things) I used ten of them and no conversion. (I do have a couple of conversions but not happy with them)
They fit the mold so to speak. The weapons are there. It is designed after the Vanguard Battle suits but is a living entity thus it's flexibility. I am sure with all the new minis out there people will prefer them but not a problem. They cover a vast area and time span. Even in the same army they could varry.

Destroyers: Black undercoat. Heavy drybrush with silver then a lighter drybrush of copper. The minigun is metalic but the front of the other weapon (Gauss Flayer Cannon) was painted white and a neon green wash applied. I stole that idea from the EA Necron models I have seen.

I really don't want this list to be like the EA Necrons at all. They may be death personified but they are not living dead. ?There is nothing preventing both existing together. This isn't GW after all.

I have been working on Army Cards as well for the Slann. I have posted a test sample on the Yahoo group.

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I must have read and reread the Slann army books (v4.1, v5 and Heresy) Twenty times. The earlier ones to try to clear up a few things in my mind.

Personally, I am going to try most vehicles as skimmers for Necrons but as I said above the types could fit other models as well. It is a bad time for me to buy new minis, but I hope to have vehicles and a Titan or two in the next month or so.

If anyone is working on Titans, or Exodus please try to get photos. ?A good one of each unit and any group shots that you can manage. As much as I would like to do them, There is simply no budget for them.

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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:14 am

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Ok, the mech in the picture is a Vulture Mk2 from the Wolf Strike set.

The top tank is a Kelswa...they've been in a couple of sets....definitely Falcons' Prey, and maybe Domination. The second one is a Glory Fire Support tank.

I don't think I've found any solution for Slann Knights. There is one oversized infantry figure in Mechwarrior (Wraith - latest set) but it still isn't big enough. I'm thinking maybe GZG 25mm NAC or NSL Power Armour. (see the pic of SGA-22 & 27 and SGN-22 & 26 in their catalog)

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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 5:18 am

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Do you want to use those GZG infantry in the previous pic as Exodus Slann? I could base up a few more stands for a group shot. I'm also ordering on set of the DRM buggies but they might be a while arriving.

I can also mock up some riders based on the stuff before. LMK exactly what you need.

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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 1:40 pm

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Zap,

Thanks for the info.
Unless someone else steps up you are my Exodus link.

Don't go to a lot of trouble with more stands of the same unless you are building the army. However, if you are just playing around with the minis, A nice something of each would be very useful.

Can you get me a comparison photo of the Kelsa and a Rhino or Land Raider? If the size fits I may work two of them together for the Annihilator and one for the Conqueror. It is the closest thing I have seen. I have nothing that says that the Conqueror has two sets of tracks but there is a reference to the Anihilator being an offshoot of the Conqueror with "a third set of tracks".
The models size will determin if it will work.

I like the Titan but the belly gun could be moved to the top and a bridge put in its place. (just thoughts)

I was thinking that Warmaster might be a source for the Kroxigor? I have not seen any Warmaster stuff so not sure. It seems that someone mentioned big lizards in there?

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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 2:06 am

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OK, I'll go through the Exodus list and try and model one of each item from what I have on hand. I don't have the DRM buggies which would come in handy though....I think they'd be great for the Exodus stuff. I have plenty of Ork buggies but I'm not sure they'd work.

What are the requirements for the Images themselves?

Warmaster is a great idea for the bigger lizards. Up to one of you US or UK based types though....can't afford the postage from GW for small orders.

The two Mechwarrior tanks are pretty close to the same size. I'll post a comparison with a Landraider.
Problem with the Mechwarrior stuff is it is made out of heat formed hi density PVC, so it's not real easy to convert. Certainly possible, but you need to use different techniques. Removing turrets is usually not easy.

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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:44 am

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The best quality image you can get. I can now convert most formats. JPG is what I am useing though.

I understant the postage thing. There is no regular mail to where I am. It has to be FexEx, UPS or the like. We are talking minimum $40.

Luckily I can get someone to bring stuff occasionally.

I think I can handle the turrets. I ran across another vehicle while browesing through them. I think it was the 'Carnivore'. Might be able to blend the two for the Annhilator. Just have to see. I will try to find some on e-bay in January.

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Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2006 5:49 am

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Hey Gary,

I will work on the Exodus units over the weekend...after some thought, I think I can cover about 80-90% of the units with stuff I have already on hand.....all of if quite readily available. I might add some progress shots as I go.

Is there any particular pose/orientation for the unit photos? 3/4 front view maybe?

One thing about the Exodus units themselves. Can we remove the requirement to buy Saurus Regulars with the Stegadon? I'd like to think you could make a stand-alone Exodus army, but this wrecks this. (not a big thing I suppose but the Stegadon already has limits) I also have an awesome proxy, but it is much lower and sleeker than the existing template. The other obvious alternative is the Warmaster Stegadon, but I'll show you mine after the weekend.

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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:33 pm

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Zap,
Have you seen the Gold version of the SMs?
If so, photos like that.
If not ... with left front corner to the front.
The big guys need front and side. I want to overlay the template over it.
Anything that you can come up with will be fine.

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