(tneva82 @ Aug. 16 2006,13:30)

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I know many of GW gamers play many of their games at once.

You have any evidence people just stopped buying GW stuff when they killed epic?

And yes I have evidence. The fact GW hasn't reversed it. If it would be better for their profit margin to support SG they would do it. They aren't idiots. They just are after profit margin. Something folks here aren't interested at.

(Heresiarch @ Aug. 16 2006,12:56)

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Out of the even dozen people I know who play Epic a grand total of two play 40K or WFB...

(tneva82 @ Aug. 16 2006,06:32)

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But did they lose all of those customers when they killed epic?

NO!

Lot(probably most) moved on to other GW games. And since they now saved up on resources that would compensate for the few that dropped out of buying GW stuff.

They aren't TRYING to resurrect epic. They are trying to get as much money out of us as they can with minimal resources spent as that means bigger profit margins. Just in case you don't know: Profits are what GW are after.

(Grimshawl @ Aug. 16 2006,09:02)

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do you have anything, any type of evidence that shows that most of the gamers GW lost when epic went unsupported actually switched over to GWs other games? I've never seen any type of evidence of this anywhere. I do know some gamers like myself who where already playing multible GW games, 40K, Warhammer, Space Hulk, Epic, Necromunda, etc., etc., that kept playing the other games, but I dont know anyone who was only playing epic and then when support was droped picked up, 40k, or one of their other games. and If anything I scaled my other GW purchases back as the loss of support for Epic was disheartening and I found I didnt have as much excitement regarding GW as a whole, it wasnt much longer before I stoped playing Warhammer Fantasy as well. and while thats just me, I havent ever seen any hard evidence that Epics fans suddenly all moved on to 40K, if this type of marketing really did work so well, GW would only have one game line at this point.

(Dwarf Supreme @ Aug. 16 2006,09:57)

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I really don't think this is true. I don't know of a single epic player who started playing another GW game when E40k was canned. They might have returned to playing other GW games, but none that I know of decided to start playing 40k.

(tneva82 @ Aug. 16 2006,13:30)

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I know many of GW gamers play many of their games at once.

You have any evidence people just stopped buying GW stuff when they killed epic?

And yes I have evidence. The fact GW hasn't reversed it. If it would be better for their profit margin to support SG they would do it. They aren't idiots. They just are after profit margin. Something folks here aren't interested at.

Stone cold fact is GW can get bigger profit margin by reducing epic support to bare minimum and concentrating on core 3 games and to hell few epic gamers who don't buy more GW games. They are just tip of the iceberg. Resources spent on elsewhere will bring bigger profit margins. All epic needs to be brought into GW number 1 game is that it would bring out biggest profits but since it doesn't: Bare minimum. Least they can get so that few loyal fans still buy epic models. Maximum profits that way.

Sad but true.

(Dwarf Supreme @ Aug. 16 2006,15:18)

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I'm not trying to be argumentative (honest ? ), but how does GW's business practices prove that a large number of Epic players switched to playing 40k (or any other GW game)?

(dafrca @ Aug. 16 2006,19:47)

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I have to agree. It is not scientific, but my amidotal data (people I know) goes like this....

dafrca joins the EA playtest forum and starts trying to find a buddy to play with him. Fast forward six weeks later the normal Staurday Night Game Group has all dug out old Epic stuff, printed out the paper armies T5H and others created, or just cut out cardboard and wrote names of units on them and we have six games going at once. 12 people playing Epic.

Three months after dafrca started the group we have between four and eight games going each week and people have gone one ebay or bought from friends minis and we all have armies.

At the height of this we have more then 20 people playing at least once a month.

SG/GW starts deflating the Epic/SG bubble. Suport seems to be leaving. People in the group get angry. The two how had bought whole Tau armies from FW are so upset, one sells the army on ebay and never comes back.

OK, so out of that 20 some odd people who plays other GW games today (Or even then) four. Four play in the normal Sunday 40k/WH Fantasy groups that play. Two of those four also have BFG fleets.

So 4 out of 20 of the people who I know who played Epic also play other GW games.

Now to be fair, another three did play 40k at one time (myself included in that group) but those three sold off all their 40k stuff and no longer own rules or armies for any other GW game.

dafrca

(primarch @ Aug. 16 2006,18:14)

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If you ONLY played epic after epic 40ks release and epics eventually becomming OOP, then you either stuck playing epic or played OTHER non GW games....


..you DID NOT switch to 40k it most cases....

..which means lost cutomer revenue for GW...

..economics 101.

(Grimshawl @ Aug. 16 2006,20:11)

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the fact they havent reversed their trend of not supporting Epic is not hard evidence that epic players did or did not take up other GW games.

(Dwarf Supreme @ Aug. 16 2006,20:18)

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I'm not trying to be argumentative (honest   ), but how does GW's business practices prove that a large number of Epic players switched to playing 40k (or any other GW game)?

(primarch @ Aug. 17 2006,01:48)

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If you define all is in 100%, then no they didnt lose them all. But Im willing to bet the losses were over 90%, which sales and marketing wise is a devastating as 100% in this case.

Primarch

(primarch @ Aug. 17 2006,01:51)

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Speaking in net outcomes this is a loss for GW, simple.

Primarch