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Vicious rumour - more bad news for Epic?
dafrca
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 8:14 pm 
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To be honest, quite a few Game Companies have fallen for that trap, and in some cases it killed them. ?:o0

To many people think a trick license means auto sales. It does not.

West End Games and the Star Wars licence springs immediately to mind on that score. And Xena & Hercules...

Agents of ?Gaming and both the Starsiege: Rebellion and to a lesser extent even B5.

Iron Crown and the Middle Earth CCG.

Mayfair Games and the Sim City CCG.

And the list goes on and on and on... especially if it involves ccgs.

Frankly GW is, as you say Dafrca, just the latest in a long line of game companies.

Yep:

AEG and Star Gate and Farscape

Last Unicorn and Star Trek

Leading Edge and Aliens

are a few others.

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Hello, just thought I'd report this - a rumour I heard today.

Basically today I popped in to the local independent GW stockist to ask if they run any games of Epic.

Cut a long story short, the staff there mentioned a rumour that GW is going to be bought out by Hasbro.

I'd never heard this before, they were saying if it's true it'll be good as the prices of core squad/regiment sets for 40k/WFB will decrease.

I've been musing about this since, however, and I think if this turns out to be true it'll be more bad news for Epic, and all the Specialist Games...

I just think that if GW gets taken over by an even bigger multi-national company, its policies will become even more about 'MAKE GAMERS BUY THE NEW PRODUCTS WE WANT THEM TO!' than they are now, and all side/low profit/loss making lines (i.e. SG) will be completely abandoned.

Does this make sense? ?I can only see this being bad for Epic if it is true... ?:( ?:/

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This "rumor" crops up a lot from time to time. Don't know if its true or not, but I'm on the "sceptical side".

I'm not really sure if such a thing would be good or bad for epic. Hasbro has a lot more resources and distribution channels than GW. Who knows what would come of it.

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To be honest, it wouldn't surprise me. Hasbro has been buying game companies for years, which can be a mixed blessing. Hasbro's purchase of Avalon Hill was catastrophic, whereas its pruchase of Wizards of the Coast seems like a good thing. WotC continues to pump out a steady stream of new products and Hasbro has messed with D&D.

Heck, it some ways I welcome someone new stepping in and running GW. They could hardly do a worse job. :D If the rumor is true, it could actually be good for Epic. I don't know how the other SG games would fare.

When I see him Saturday, I'll try to remember to ask my nephew if he's heard anything.

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I agree. D&D benefited a lot from Hasbros distribution network. Specialist games could get quite a boost from cheaper made plastics and such.

Then again it couldnt be worse than its current state.

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Quote (javelin98 @ 23 June 2006 (14:40))
Actually, Hasborg might let SG spin off into a separate company and license the 40K/Warhammer IP. ?After all, Hasborg has many more IP lines to work from, and GW, thanks to its own inept management, has nothing but Warhammer. ?And here I thought diversification was a basic business philosophy.

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I think having some "independent" entity have the IP for epic would be good. At least they'd focus on epic, more than now.

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To be honest, it wouldn't surprise me. Hasbro has been buying game companies for years, which can be a mixed blessing. Hasbro's purchase of Avalon Hill was catastrophic, whereas its pruchase of Wizards of the Coast seems like a good thing. WotC continues to pump out a steady stream of new products and Hasbro has messed with D&D.

Never happen...

Hasbro bought WotC solely for the Pokemon CCG rights which Wizard's owned at the time. With Magic being a tertiary consideration.

Even with D&D being a smash success by game industry standards it's still piddly-ass small potatoes when compared to the volumes Hasbro deals in. Hasbro owning D&D is an accident.. not a deliberate plan.

Most people I know at the higher end of the food chain still expect WotC to get unloaded by Hasbro at some point in the not so distant future.

Just to put things in perspective when I was still doing sales one of my larger clients, a series of mall chain stores here in Canada, would order perhaps 6 copies of the players handbook per store come Xmas... to put it in perspective they'd order 600 copies of Axis & Allies at the same time. Per store.

Pokemon and to a lesser extent Magic had/have some mass market cross over... GW?

Not even remotely in the same league I'm afraid.

They may be a 1000 pound gorilla by game industry standards but when you consider the entire game industry's total sales volume is probably about what a single hit PC game makes in a release...

*shrug*

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All to true. From a business perspective the "hobby" is very small compared to the REAL "toy" business which is measured in the billions of dollars.

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While I can't say for sure, I'd guess it stems from the fact that Hasbro owns Milton Bradley and MB teamed up with GW on marketing a bunch of games.

In any case, they are both publicly traded companies and if there were anything going on it would be pretty easy to verify.

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True, then again some deals are kept quiet until the business is concluded. I agree though this is probably a very remote possibility.

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Hi Guys,

I've become a "narsty" skeptic... I don't beleive much until I've seen it for truth anymore...

My experience with SG soured me. Jervis and staff were great... the greater company, GW, has significant problems.

Shabbat Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.

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Welcome to my world, I've been that way since epic 40k was released in 1997....  :;):

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While I can't say for sure, I'd guess it stems from the fact that Hasbro owns Milton Bradley and MB teamed up with GW on marketing a bunch of games.

In any case, they are both publicly traded companies and if there were anything going on it would be pretty easy to verify.

Hi!

True, then again some deals are kept quiet until the business is concluded. I agree though this is probably a very remote possibility.

Primarch

But with a Rumor that has been around for more then a year (first time I heard it) the odds that nothing would have made it into the Wall St. rumor mill is rare. :/

I remember when the Mouse was selling their stores. Wall Street was talking about it long before the mouse admited it was real.

In this case only gamers are talking about it.  :8:

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If I had to "bet the farm on it" ... IMO, it's just a rumor and Epic will remain on minimal life support ... for a couple more years ...  Then take it's place next to Man O' War and the Squats. ?But there always it DRM & GZG ... :D  :;):

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This is just the Wizards buying GW rumour by another name isn?t it?  I think I was still in school when that one was doing the rounds.

The release of the Star Wars and Axis and Allies collectable minis confirmed in my mind that Hasbro don?t want GW.  Maybe I?ll be proven wrong.  We?ll see.

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This is just the Wizards buying GW rumour by another name isn?t it? ?I think I was still in school when that one was doing the rounds.

Yep, heard lots of rumors over the years. Truth is, it is all just funny.  :p

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Well consider that GW increase prices for epic, if some other company buy them out and lower prices or increase production, all the more power
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Well consider that GW increase prices for epic, if some other company buy them out and lower prices or increase production, all the more power

It would be interesting, but I would not hold my breath for it to happen.

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(dafrca @ Jul. 17 2006,17:19)
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Well consider that GW increase prices for epic, if some other company buy them out and lower prices or increase production, all the more power

It would be interesting, but I would not hold my breath for it to happen.

dafrca

And yet, still a very enticing dream...

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Well consider that GW increase prices for epic, if some other company buy them out and lower prices or increase production, all the more power

It would be interesting, but I would not hold my breath for it to happen.

dafrca

And yet, still a very enticing dream...

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