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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 12:05 am 
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Well guys, don't overract !  It (Chaos) is still very much a work in progress and make your thoughts known to J.J. !  It may or may not help, but you all know what I'm going to say next - If the rules don't have who or what you want - change it.  How often do you play League or Tournament Games ?  You can have Khorne allied with Slann (?)!  I'm sure no one is going to care what you do in the privacy of your game room.  Hell, we still have Squats (both Chaos and Imperial) and Jervis or the =][= has yet to pay us a visit ... :laugh:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 2:18 am 
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Quote (Legion 4 @ 10 2003 July,09:05)
Hell, we still have Squats (both Chaos and Imperial) and Jervis or the =][= has yet to pay us a visit ... :laugh:

What about Kitty ?... :D
(its been awhile sicnce she was mentioned!)

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 1:24 pm 
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Hi!

Looks like Kitty is becoming the forums mascot, the name appears in a lot of threads.... :p

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 3:47 pm 
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Legion:  Just so you know, it appears as if no one is playtesting the Chaos list anymore because it is so unbalanced.  It's a low priority for Jervis since Nids and Eldar were moved up the schedule.  I suspect he will do a big revamp (again) in a couple months.

Right now, he seems to be concentrating on making the final touches to the SM, IG, and Ork lists, as well as some minor rule tweaks.  They need to go to the printer in September.  Nids are a second-tier priority.

Anyway, when Jervis starts up Chaos stuff again, I plan on making a big pitch for some changes I want to see.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 4:44 pm 
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Well that makes sense, based on the production schedule, but like I said before, sometimes it appears they throw some things out to see if it will "fly". ?And I have no problem with anyone coming up with their own army list(s). ?We are still using modified SM1 TO&Es, so as I have said previously, do what works for you ! :D ?And then let Jervis know. ?As far as Kitty, I don't think we should mention her, I feel it offends some of the other guys on the forum, so I plan to try to stay on topic ... 'nuff said. ?:cool:

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Quote (Legion 4 @ 11 2003 July,01:44)
As far as Kitty, I don't think we should mention her, I feel it offends some of the other guys on the forum, so I plan to try to stay on topic ... 'nuff said. ?:cool:

Well if thats the case then I'm sorry if I offended anyone, though that would seem a little over-sensitive.  

As far as I was concerned it was an amusing running joke, and still is.

Plus who can resist having a dig at you every now and again L4?  Certainly not I! :;):

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Legion: ?Just so you know, it appears as if no one is playtesting the Chaos list anymore because it is so unbalanced. ?It's a low priority for Jervis since Nids and Eldar were moved up the schedule. ?I suspect he will do a big revamp (again) in a couple months.

Right now, he seems to be concentrating on making the final touches to the SM, IG, and Ork lists, as well as some minor rule tweaks. ?They need to go to the printer in September. ?Nids are a second-tier priority.

Anyway, when Jervis starts up Chaos stuff again, I plan on making a big pitch for some changes I want to see.

I agree with Neal on two counts. It seems as interest in Chaos has wained once it was made clear it was a low priority.

Also, once Jervis returns to Chaos I will join Neal in asking for a few changes I think it needs  :;):

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 4:40 pm 
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Hey guys I collect Chaos too, so do your best !  I have all 4 Powers + Undivided Forces.  I look forward to all the new Chaos releases - or any releases for E-A, for that matter !  :;):

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dafrca:  What do you want to see changed?  If we can hash it out, we can start out with a somewhat united front when it comes back around.

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dafrca: ?What do you want to see changed? ?If we can hash it out, we can start out with a somewhat united front when it comes back around.

Neal,

I am at work and thus do not have my notes with me. The things that I recall off the top of my head:

CSM formations seemed to be slightly too large.

I was unhappy when Jervis removed the Lord of Battles from the list.

I think the Cultist made nice ablative armour and need to return *in the list* not just as a seperate army.

These are the things I can pull off the top of my mind.

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Well, Jervis has mentioned that there will be a big update to the Epic site after the weekend, including the return of the Lost and Damned list!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2003 3:15 pm 
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I look forward to any Epic update !!!  Yahoo !!! :laugh:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 7:58 am 
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Well insomnia's in full form so I thought I'd ask you smart folk a few questions that I've been indecisive on.

With Epic:Armageddon I want to start a new army that I can playtest with and such. I have several armies (LOTS of space marines, Eldar, Chaos, Orks, and Knights) dating back to Space Marine 2nd edition, but they're pretty dated. For starters the paint jobs are pretty awful (Blood Angels = Red Guy with little black line hopefully over his gun). They're all very much a product of their era as far as appearance and organization goes... they just look antiquated and visually uninspiring.

Since then my painting skills have significantly improved (I seriously tried dunking my blood angels in red paint at one point), and more importantly my desire to get involved with the aesthetic side is significantly more pronounced. So basically I want to start a new, pretty army, built around EA's force organizations.

All that long-winded exposition boils down to this:

Chaos. I'm almost positive I want to start a chaos army, for a number of reasons:

* I've got all sorts of ancient metal chaos stuff, like Lords of Battle and Magnus the Red and Daemons back from when they were really freaking tall

* With all the unbased plastic I've got, I have something like 10 different basic marine infantry units. Being able to have such dynamic stands is just really, really cool.

*I likes 'em a lot.

The problem is, Chaos seems to be a bit of a mess currently, with an uncertain future. The Black Legion list seems like it could potentially be an abortion, and people seem(ed) to be whining en masse about how it's really unbalanced. Currently, no one seems to really be discussing the list, further implying that its gone down the tubes. Even worse, Chaos is scheduled dead last to get full support.

Some of you guys have been following this more closely then I, so my first question to you is if you think starting a Chaos army this early might be a bit premature or unwise. Is Chaos, at this stage, really a feasible and balanced army?

Second question: If you look closely at the 2nd edition Chaos Plastics, each of the four primary traitor legions is represented. Has anyone ever tried to specifically use those models to represent that legion? Specifically, since Thousand Sons have got some mention in here, how do you represent the 1kSons' whole headdress thing? I'm looking for ideas on how to do a Tzeentch legion since thats what I've mostly got, and 'cus TZEETNZTNTNCH IZ KOOL. :D

Third Question: I'd like to rebase and repaint some of my mini's. How do you guys rebase infantry, and how do you guys go about stripping paint from 6mm's? Do you just let the guys individually soak in your solvent of choice, or do you keep them on the base?

Okay, bye bye. :D

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2003 3:25 pm 
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Hey:  I would say at the moment, chaos is not feasible.  The list will undoubtedly be updated dramatically, so there's no real point in even trying to put anything together based on what's out.

As far as Tzeentch, there is little chance they will get a decent treatment any time soon.  So, unless you are doing it for your own amusement (and I am), I wouldn't go crazy.  I understand the Black Legion and Lost and Damned lists being out first, but after that it's likely to be Khorne and Nurgle because they are the most popular.  There seems to be little support for Tzeentch in 40K, and I expect that will spill over.

As far as stripping, there might still be a thread on the 6mm conversions page of the forums.  Several people on here had large pieces of text and links that they can post which would no doubt be more informative than I.

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The E-A Chaos list is still "under construction", so I'd wait or paint and base at your own risk ... I've been playing Epic since SM1 in '90 and I've learned to do what works for us and not necessarily what G/W says.  We still use the SM1 templates with some modifications, based on new releases.  Do what works for you ... :;):

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