Page 2 of 4

[ 46 posts ]

Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

consequences of the new 40k codex
thurse	Post subject: consequences of the new 40k codex Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:40 am
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:13 pm Posts: 185 Location: Dundee, Scotland	Yes it is right that we should change a unit stats just because they have another option in w40k. I agree with that. The markerlight rule is fine for me in epic and I would'n want to see it change without a good reason I was mainly thinking about : 1) new units 2) units that have been completely revised, to the point that they do not have the main role ( if this situation happens in the codex) 3) units that were not in the previous codex but here in EA ( if I remember well, pirhanas and tetras were not in the first codex but are developped in the new one). I was wondering if we were in accordance with the "spirit" of the unit.
Top

Gotchaye	Post subject: consequences of the new 40k codex Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 11:45 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:25 am Posts: 59	While I see no reason why the Vespids can't be incorporated in a fairly straightforward manner (Xisor's suggestions seem almost dead-on, though I'm not sure on the FF 4+), Sniper Drones present a problem, though.  Their 'thing' in 40k is having stealth fields, like Stealth Suits.  However, while Teleport makes sense for the Suits, it doesn't fit the Drones at all.  I'm not sure how we ought to deal with them (just the 6+ RA of the Stealths, adjusting for weaker armor, seems odd). The Tau codex was a fairly minor revision, all in all.  Two (real, not Forgeworld) new units, some obvious price changes, and new wargear that, while interesting, doesn't really change the role of any unit.  The only big thing is the markerlight change, and for the reasons I put forth earlier, I don't believe that this matters much to us.
Top

Tactica	Post subject: consequences of the new 40k codex Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:29 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241	Quote (Hena @ 28 Mar. 2006 (22:51)) Tactica, I have Tau army in 40k. I have entertained the thought of bying one for Epic as well (except the infantry is so annoyingly costly and I don't really have money for a new army atm). So thanks for the ... innuendo. As I said earlier, I have no problem with good units. But I have a problem units that don't pay for their abilities. Hena, I was just joking in that post - lots of tongue in cheek. Perhaps it didn't make it across. Sorry (again). _________________ Rob
Top

Tactica	Post subject: consequences of the new 40k codex Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:41 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241	Quote (Xisor @ 29 Mar. 2006 (01:44)) By my reckoning, the only things that need to be address in regards to the new Codex are: Sniper Drone Teams Vespids Both suggestions see here: http://www.epic40k.co.uk/epicomm....r+drone Other change one could consider as old vs. new codex... - Marker they have a completely new/expanded rule set. I'm sure there are others. _________________ Rob
Top

Tactica	Post subject: consequences of the new 40k codex Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:50 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241	Quote (tneva @ 29 Mar. 2006 (03:23)) Quote (Tactica @ 28 Mar. 2006 (23:32)) The old Tau codex was considered to be underpowered in 40K by comparison. Or rather they didn't sell enough so boost them. GW cares about sales. Not how well balanced army is. If army ends up too good GW says just "so what? Atleast that army sells more!". Funny how NOTHING got weakened by one bit. Everything got improved. tneva, I didn't know Tau were one of the armies not selling. Last I'd heard when we were up in Chicago (a year ago) the rep was saying Tau was an army that sold great and that development team didn't want to mess with them too much - when we were asking about whether or not Tau would get a "IG discipline / Chaos legion / Marine divergence" type abilities in the Empire codex. I have no way of knowing whether they sold good or not. I've played them in numerous tourny's. There was clearly a problem in the list in that only certain equipment was worthwhile, and most items were not. The old codex just had some real continuity problems that had been discussed time and time again on various Tau 40K boards. Regards to weakening, I've not had a chance to review the entire codex. I think the statement you made could be challenged though. I *think* the plasma rifle got more expensive for example. That may not sound significant, but it *was* a linchpin weapon of the crisis suits previously. The crisis were previously a linchpin unit to the army's tourny potential. It will be interesting to see how that works out. I was also told that crisis suits dropped in cost some. My understanding is that the delta of old plasmarifle and missile pod crisis vs. new plasma rifle and missile pod crisis would seen a net increase in cost of unit. I could be wrong though - again, haven't went ove the codex and the old codex side by side. Cheers, _________________ Rob
Top

Tactica

Post subject: consequences of the new 40k codex Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:02 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241

Quote (Gotchaye @ 29 Mar. 2006 (05:45)) Sniper Drones present a problem, though.  Their 'thing' in 40k is having stealth fields, like Stealth Suits. That's a big part of it. I think they are also the only team in Tau that have access to the new unit type called "Sniper Drone". Its a rail rifle equipped drone. It has a targeting mechanism to make it roll to hit better than the typical drone. Furthermore, it can use the network marker light of the controller model. The controller has a target locker and network marker light to help the drones shoot better using the new ML rules and incorporating one of the ML many new effects directly on the models within the unit. The controller is really the 'initiator' of the unit firing in that he's got a piece of gear targeting which is allowing him to shoot a better Ballistic Skill than the normal FW. (hitting on 3+ instead of 4+ in 40K). That in turn makes the Network Marker have a higher probability to hit. The network marker then can be use by the other models in the unit i.e. the sniper drones with the rail rifles. The sn However, while Teleport makes sense for the Suits, it doesn't fit the Drones at all.

Keep in mind, its not the stealth field that allows stealths to Deep Strike - its the tau jump pack. (drones and crisis have the same thing but we don't give it to them in E:A for some reason).

I'm not sure how we ought to deal with them (just the 6+ RA of the Stealths, adjusting for weaker armor, seems odd).

The stealth generator in 40K that both the stealth suits and now the Sniper teams have are supposed to reduce the range that they can be seen. 2d6 x 3 is the max range that they can be seen at on a 40K battleified - or 6" - 36".

Therefore in Epic, the max range they would be seen at would be 30cm if I understand the range porting mentality. (36" range heavy bolter, multilaster, etc all became 30cm range in E:A)

That would be adding something to the stealths that they don't have currently in E:A.