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Some more musings
nealhunt	Post subject: Some more musings Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:23 pm
Purestrain Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:52 pm Posts: 9617 Location: Nashville, TN, USA	- Prove the insanity of the 10 pts version testing a list with only termagaunt is not the right method to me. "What happend if I take a 'full of this model' list" is not a relevant question. Why? because take only one model is necesseraly extreme and calibrate an army list on an extreme army is not the right way to balance a game. It is the reason why I was so annoying about this, even if I agree with the termagaunt problem. I suppose we have to agree to disagree on this. I think the Horde-of-Unit-X is a perfectly viable strategy for determining balance.  A relatively small portion of an unbalanced unit won't make a big impact on games if the rest are relatively balanced.  You need a large number of the unit in question so that you can see its effects more clearly. _________________ Neal

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tneva82

Post subject: Some more musings Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:34 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 12:17 pm Posts: 606

Quote (ayoras @ 22 Mar. 2006 (10:49)) Prove the insanity of the 10 pts version testing a list with only termagaunt is not the right method to me. " I disagree. We are creating lists for TOURNAMENT use and ergo it must withstand abuse or otherwise list will abused in tournament and this will basicly negate the whole point of army list in a first place... You can see this in FB/40k tournaments where certain combos are quaranteed to appear. Why? Because they are so much better alternatives than others... - A current TTerror (150pts warriors, 15 pts termagaunt) is still very potent I think (sorry I don't test such boring army). But is it unstoppable? _________________ www.tneva.net

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ayoras

Post subject: Some more musings Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:41 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:44 am Posts: 52

I suppose we have to agree to disagree on this. If I understand all the discussion, yep, I agree ^^. To me if an extreme army must be balanced, the right way is to restrict the problematic model, not necesseraly change the stats if the stats are correct for the price and if the problem comes from the number not especially from the stats. Here, it was not the solution though (as I already said 10pts termagaunt was totally unbalanced compared to the others armies). But is it unstoppable?

It is more difficult to determine this without testing (on the contrary of old TTerror, where it was so obvious). I say yes but as I already said, I let the pleasure to test it to someone else.
I remind to you that the old TTerror and the current TTerror are not unstoppable in a non blind game if you play eldar or tau (one word : sniper). But I know, the tournaments are blind.

Well, I'll stop to disturb you about the non 'relevance' of TTerror.

More seriously, what about the second part and the "big synapse" problem I spoke? Do you reach to make efficient 3000pts list with them?