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Post subject: V4.4 - Swordfish Upgrade  Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:15 pm |
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NH,
I'm not sure if this is a general question or a question just to CS...
Has the presence of a Swordfish actually ever significantly changed your tactical decisions with respect to a HH formation? |
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but "significantly" is a relative term to me. I don't know how to quantify that in this case - so I'm just going to take a general approach to my response.
Has it changed my tactical decision - yes. Does it 'always' change my tactical decision in a game - absolutely not. There are situations where it does and has become a factor in some of my previous games.
If you are looking for some examples of my personal experiences, off the top of my head from battles where I can think of them impacting my decision...
1) If I have the Swordfish, I'm more confident to attempt to take out a SHT or heavier AT formation with them as I have more of a reliable resolve with the AT increases and the added misslepods at 45cm should I move forward - or find the enemy very close to my lines!
2) In some circumstances, the Swordfish is a bit liberating in that it allows me to feel like I can 'go mobile' as the double movement 'to hit' penalty doesn't hurt as bad with the additional and better AT shots. Therefore in this movement case, I care less about seekers and limiting myself to single moves with the formation as I still have some other shots I can reasonably rely upon.
With the regular rail-heads (no swordfish), I tend to sit back and pepper with pop-up, taking less risk and trying to make use of the seekers more. I don't want to move more than a single move with the formation if I can avoid it. In this role, they are the Stingray - but for vehicles.
MY HISTORIC EXPERIENCE / OPINION: Historically, the 25-50 point upgrade (1-2 units) is not the best way to utilize the points in army construction. I've taken lists with several heavy hammerhead formations and the 125 points for 2 hammerheads + 50 points = 175 points for 2 swordfish was too expensive in every case I came across in the past. I look forward to trying out the new reduction for upgrade as you are still paying the initial 125 points for the base 2 vehicles. Another 25 points + upgrade slot for the formation or 150 for the two Swordfish looks much more appropriate.
OPINION: As there is a price to upgrade not only in points but also in upgrade slot - and not to mention from current playtests, I still don't think you'll 'always' see 'all' tau players taking the upgrade all the time, however, I do expect there to be more than just people taking the unit. Hopefully people like the upgrade and consider it justifiable in their lists now.
POSTULATING: Now if the Swordfish was a free upgrade (like the vanquisher is to the IG Leman Russ Company) then yes - I could see the possibility of most Tau players always upgrading their vehicles. Luckily - its not free and also uses up an upgrade slot for the formation. 
Guess time will tell.
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Post subject: V4.4 - Swordfish Upgrade Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:54 am |
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OK, here is the way forward on this. I will go with the upgrade as set out in the initial post here. However, I will add the Swordfish re-evaluation to the agenda for future work (do you get the impression that I have a lot of meetings in my job?).
This will get wider feedback on the change with a Vault version of the list, and we can then discuss further ramifications at leisure.
OK?
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Post subject: V4.4 - Swordfish Upgrade Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 1:04 am |
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CS,
Works for me.
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Post subject: V4.4 - Swordfish Upgrade Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:03 pm |
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I take them always, they are kind of standard to me. I like to see the face of my opponent when he sees them on the table , and asks me "Why does this one have two guns?" , "It?s because I can eat you better with two guns" 
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Post subject: V4.4 - Swordfish Upgrade Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:17 am |
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Steele,
there's a little red riding hood and big bad wolf joke there somewhere...
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Post subject: V4.4 - Swordfish Upgrade Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:47 pm |
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OK. Topic closed. Resolution (currently) is -
Change the Swordfish upgrade to:
Replace up to two Hammerhead Gunships with Swordfish (the same points are paid even if the player selects to only upgrade one Hammerhead); +25 points |
With a view to examining the role and details of the unit at a later time.
Thanks.
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