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Ginger	Post subject: Tau vs Eldar, 2700 points Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:42 am
Brood Brother Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:20 pm Posts: 5483 Location: London, UK	Hmm Honda I think I understand your points about the use of Air interception rather than ground AA - they will tend to cause more damage (2 hits per formation on average, but 1.33 ?damage assuming no jinking under average saves). So the TS attacks are still likely to complete even if successfully CAPed - and even then 2x air formations attack unopposed. The probability is that the majority of the TS would survive to turn 3, and though their effect would be diminished, I am not conviced it would be totally countered. However buying 3x air formations means that I have two less units to defend against ground units, so I suspect the end would be even swifter than before. Finally we did try beefing up both the air formations and the ground AA in the next game with Orks - Batrep here but as Tau, I won that one even more convincingly, so I stand by my comments about the number of TS formations and the individual TS stats. Please see my response to CS question on the stats. here All the best Ginger _________________ "Play up and play the game" Vitai lampada Sir Hemry Newbolt
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Honda	Post subject: Tau vs Eldar, 2700 points Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:53 am
Brood Brother Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:44 pm Posts: 1891 Location: Katy, Republic of Texas	@Ginger, I respectfully disagree, but would enjoy shaking your hand at the end of all this, regardless of the outcome. _________________ Honda "Remember Taros? We do" - 23rd Elysian Drop Regiment
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Ginger	Post subject: Tau vs Eldar, 2700 points Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 1:12 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:20 pm Posts: 5483 Location: London, UK	Honda Done mate ? - if you ever find yourself in London UK on a Tuesday night, drop into JD's Sports bar behind Mornington Crescent Tube station, and we'll yarn about "the good old days" over a pint ? - and possibly a game Cheers Ginger _________________ "Play up and play the game" Vitai lampada Sir Hemry Newbolt
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jfrazell	Post subject: Tau vs Eldar, 2700 points Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:31 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:21 pm Posts: 144	I am painfully jealous of your club location. Honda, i think we need to explore new environs   Did the Eldar give thought to perhaps subbing in a Phoenix  unit as well? that would give you the option of CAP or ground attack. Looking for your train of thought on this item as we are beginning to experiment with aerospace aspects as well (our groups is relatively new). _________________ "Advance to the Rear!"
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Tactica	Post subject: Tau vs Eldar, 2700 points Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:01 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241	Gents, CS will either limit the AX-1-0 in some fashion, point change them, or stat change them. Whatever the solution, continual testing of 5 aces at 3K really doesn't do any good for development at this point. If we wish to test the AX-1-0 envelope, perhaps run two of them per 3,000 points. So either play 2 at 3K or play 4 at 5K games. As 5 aces was based around 2700 and 3K games, 2 instead of 5 per 3K incriment should throttle down the results adequately. I'd love to hear how your games went in these modes - with the same flier that's already in v4.3.3. Ginger, if you want to put the kabosh on TRC's 2 AX-1-0's per 3,000 points being played, take some fighters. You mentioned something about Jinking in Honda's recomendation of fighters. The AX-1-0 is a bomber. Please note, bombers cannot jink. If TRC is jinking with it, well, that's a different problem that has nothing to do with the AX-1-0. I think its fair to say that regardless of outcome, the 5 aces list will not live on. I look forward to your future bat reps - as well as seeing some fighters in Ginger's lists against TRC. Ginger - just remember to take out TRC's AA first. _________________ Rob
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The_Real_Chris	Post subject: Tau vs Eldar, 2700 points Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 6:06 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:45 pm Posts: 8139 Location: London	I've always been tempted by Phoenix. But, its a very pricy interceptor or reasonably good bomber. At 400 points for three its a risk as a lucky hit can bring you down a plane even with a 5+ RA save. In fact you have a 4/9 chance of being brought down by a flak hit, and you have 15cm range for the BP weapon. So you have to really neutralise that flak to use them well. Against Tau it would have been tricky with 12 Ion Cannon Hammerheads ambling around. _________________ If using E-Bay use this link to support Tac Com! 'Abolish red trousers?! Never! Red trousers are France!' – Eugene Etienne, War Minister, 1913 "Gentlemen, we may not make history tomorrow, but we shall certainly change the geography." General Plumer, 191x
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Tactica	Post subject: Tau vs Eldar, 2700 points Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 7:03 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241	Who says you have to take it all down TRC? In order to counter, simply wait out the AX-1-0, he's not going to be sniping with it if you have fighters off the field. So he's limited to his own 45cm shots. He'll move the plane on somewhere. His AA will only support so far. The figher will have its own range. The opponent need only break a formation or two to significantly manage that area of the field. Worst case, the AX-1-0 will have a lessor impact on the game and more of the Tau's game plan will have to be around protecting the AX-1-0 asset in that role. All of which will have the desired effect, all of which say - bring the Fighters Ginger - make TRC's 2 AX-1-0's of the future think before try to claim complete air control. Cheers, _________________ Rob
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The_Real_Chris

Post subject: Tau vs Eldar, 2700 points Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:02 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:45 pm Posts: 8139 Location: London

Quote (Tactica @ 07 Feb. 2006 (17:01)) The AX-1-0 is a bomber. Please note, bombers cannot jink. If TRC is jinking with it, well, that's a different problem that has nothing to do with the AX-1-0. Oh I'm hurt at such an acusation! I actually would have liked to play 5 TS vs 12 Thunderbolts. No longer any activation advantage for me, less planes flying around due to blast markers however I think I wouldn't have lost many TS Unfortuently no more games for me for a while, Wednesday I return to Bangladesh and it seems the new location even lacks the internet Who says you have to take it all down TRC? In order to counter, simply wait out the AX-1-0, he's not going to be sniping with it if you have fighters off the field. So he's limited to his own 45cm shots. He'll move the plane on somewhere. His AA will only support so far.

I don't understand your point. You mean wait on CAP as there is no way to out activate the little chaps when you have 800 points tied up in two fighter formations. Or do you mean to wait on to bomb?

The opponent need only break a formation or two to significantly manage that area of the field.

Is this the Tau or Eldar bombers doing the breaking?

Worst case, the AX-1-0 will have a lessor impact on the game and more of the Tau's game plan will have to be around protecting the AX-1-0 asset in that role.

Luckily not that hard as we both love moving our hammerheads up