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BlackLegion
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 12:39 am 
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I want to build a gamingboard for the planet armageddon for Epic: Armageddon and i'm torn betwween two types of terrain.

1. Ashwastes: grey landscape

2. Wasteland: brown/sandy landscapes

Which one should i use?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 1:03 am 
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Personally, Id go for the Wasteland as it has many more applications and the terrain features and figure basing can go more easily with a standard green board later on

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 4:05 am 
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Hi!

A second vote for wastelands.

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Yes, but ashwastes-grey can be used for cityfights too...

But otherwise most pictures of armageddon scenery is in wasteland-colors.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 7:00 am 
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Both... :p :D

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Option three! - Out habs. Scence of a lot of the fighting (sa hives were the objectives).

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I'm with Chris on the habs, however add them to the ash waste area for a better feel.

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Ashwastes- a good grey table will look great if you do it well- get some variation in shades and a few hills and stuff, and then  lots of scatter terrain to give it the 'wasteland' feel. Then simply building a new set of terrain pieces will let you change the board to a cityfight one- fantastic!

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 4:25 pm 
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Hi Guys,

My very first terrain board that I made many years ago was a green one. It was also huge, bulky and totally unsuitable for transportation. I made it out of 3/4" plywood with spars. A team of guys could have stood on it. I got rid of it.

My second experiments were with cloth sheet maps. They were nice and portable but lacked heft. I tried painting one set and later just decided to live with the pattern I purchased. It made it easier to clean them because cloth maps attract dirt. This is an OK choice and not to expensive if you go by a cloth store.

A third experiment involved paper... big butcher-paper rolls. The best thing about it was that I could create anything I wanted for next to nothing except a little time expended. Most art stores have large sheets and many teachers have access to this sort of paper as well. I made several paper maps including a Sinai Peninsula desert map. For long-term storage, I recommend buying an architect's poster tube. I like this method, but I still wanted something different for minis.

The final method that I now like best are to buy three or four simple plywood sheets that cost about a Dollar or two a piece... dirt cheap. I paint them with simple latex house paint (first matched to simple ceramic craft paint) and can make as many maps as I want. I have flocked some and left others unflocked. I have also used sponges to layer on paint and give depth.

The cheapest plywood sheets are very thin (1/8") and come in 2'x4' pieces so three will make a 4'x6' layout and four will make a 4'x8' layout.

My Mars Forgeworld board consist of four sheets primed with cheap black and rust spraypaint and flocked with Woodland Scenics Iron Ore flocking (...originally made for RR transport car beds). We've (Chern and I) since made a number of terrain pieces for the Mars boards.

A second set I made was an Agriworld board with a green base layer. I made this set withut floc and made them two-sided. Both sides have green paint, but have different road arrangements on each side. I've made a few Agriworld boards with painted on rivers and left others withot rivers so I could use separate river pieces. I'm still modelling scenery for this set.

I have since made an Ash Wastes board with a grey base layer that was flocked with sand and kitty litter.

I have also made a desert board with a tan-mustard base color. It was also flocked with sand.

I also have both a white sheet set and white-painted plywood sheets for snow/ice-world terrain.

I took a different approach with cities. I painted some boards with a flat grey/black paint and then built various city blocks that are placed on top of the city board.

A city block is a flat base with sidewalk on top. The sidewalk is only the edges of the sidewalk with big squares of open space between the sidewalk block edges. My buildings are all bases on square and rectangular bases in inch and half inch measurements so they fit into the buildigs areas inbetween the sidewalks. So when I place down the "city blocks," the grey board becomes the street. It makes city set-up very easy instead of laboriously placing streets and buldings.

My buildings are all based on metal bases (usually 3"x3", 3"x6", 6"x6", 2"x4", 1"x3", etc.) that are commonly made for miniatures. This makes it easy to securely store them. The block flats have a thing layer of plasticard (1mm) with thin low-powered magnetic shetting over it. Over the magnet goes the sidewalk edges made from girdded plasticard from RR companies. I generally use the 1/8" square grid because this looks good in 6mm Epic scale.

The cool thing is that the magnetic "city block" piece firmly holds onto the metal-based city building piece so I can transport a city block already built to save time on set-up at a con or game shop. All of the "city blocks" can be pre-built and stored in a big plastic bin. I also chalk a vague outline of where the "city blocks" go on the grey plywood base. Chalk can later be wiped off for a new arrangement. Any chalk leftover adds to the dirtiness of the city street areas.  

So, I've gone through several years of experimenting with terrain boards. I hope you benefit from my experience. I recommend starting out sith a smaller and simpler project and working your way up to bigger projects.

Out of the two choices you proposed (Grey Ash Wastes) or (Brown Badlands), I would say start with the Brown set first since most players have their minis based on brown and green bases with flocking. Try out the more exotic stuff later.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 9:13 am 
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Good overview Maksim!

As a starter you should do the Brown ones. It's a middle colour, you could expand to forest or to city.

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I agree. I've used green boards and sulphur deserts but the brown board remains my favourite as it can be transformed into almost any type using the right pieces of terrain.

Cheers! :)

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Hi BH,

Quote (blackhorizon @ 03 Jan. 2006 (08:13))
Good overview,  Maksim!


Cool! :D

I hope that the overview was of use to you.

Quote (blackhorizon @ 03 Jan. 2006 (08:13))
As a starter you should do the Brown ones. It's a middle colour, you could expand to forest or to city.


Maybe I wasn't that clear.

I have built ALL of the terrain maps I mentioned in my post!

Right now, I have an ongoing project to build more scenery pieces for each environment. It's fun and I like working on scenery as much as I do on the minis themselves.

Brown is among the most useful of colors. I use beasty brown from vallejo as a base. I matched it to a cheap latex house paint and it forms the base of both my Mars Forgeworld boards (with a red crybrush) and my mountain boards (with a drybrush of a different shade of brown).

Snow or ice terrain is also fun and easy to build. White is an easy color to come by.

Check out StormSeer's terrain for some excellent ice/snow terrain.

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Thanks Maksim- incidently, I'm aiming to work more on the project over the next couple of months- including some 4' by 2' boards for all the pieces to sit on, more woods and hills, and (possibly) a power station to go with the pylons! :)

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Speaking of hills: I noticed that GW sells ready made plastic hills for ?15. Call me lazy but I'm seriously considering getting some. My old ones are crumbeling and it always make such a mess to build new ones.

Does anybody know exactly how big those hills are?

I was hoping they were at least something like 50x25 cm...

Cheers! :)

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Quote (Warmaster Nice @ 03 Jan. 2006 (20:32))
Speaking of hills: I noticed that GW sells ready made plastic hills for ?15. Call me lazy but I'm seriously considering getting some. My old ones are crumbeling and it always make such a mess to build new ones.

Does anybody know exactly how big those hills are?

I was hoping they were at least something like 50x25 cm...

Cheers! :)

Okay... you're crazy. ?:p

How many hills are included? ?15 pounds + shipping to the US might be a little expensive if there aren't that many.




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