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| Quote (Tactica @ 07 Nov. 2005 (22:48)) | Questions:
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1) Is it presenting a problem to not check for suppression on these units with ML or is it just point of confusion and there's not really a balance issue?
1-a) If its just a clarification thing, we could always just go with option C below to make sure players are clear.
1-b) If its a balance issue, I think we need ton consider some examples and see what can be done. I would guess that solutions will revolve around A), B), or D) below.
Resolve:
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A) Take Markers back out of the datasheet list since they are a special rule and not really weapons that fire - KISS approach
B) Leave Markerlights in datasheet weapon sections and add detail in about how one goes about seeing if a marking unit is suppressed or not even though its not firing. May get wordy.
C) Leave Markerlights in datasheet weapon sections and add a line to either 1) Markerlights or b) Design Notes section which states that Markerlights are not really weapons and are not firing per se. Thus they are not affected by suppression. They are only listed in the weapons section for easier reference.
D) Other?
Good discussion point and good catch Chroma. I'd love to hear an elaboration from you on the Questions above.
All - thoughts, comments, and/or suggestions anyone? |
Hello Greater Good! ?;)
First, how this came up: my opponent in my two recent Tyranid games had Armoured Cadres with Skyrays in them and one turn he moved his Tetras far away, and the Skyrays were the only markerlight units within 30cm of then enemy, but the Skyrays were at the back and suppressed, so we weren't sure how to do it. ?Re-reading the description of Markerlights wasn't clear, though in the end we let him mark targets, maybe it was a drone-mind doing it while the Fire Warriors were worried by the shooting!
So, in answer to the question, I believe it's a clarification issue. ?Having the markerlights listed as "weapons" would imply that they are suppressable, yet, at least in EPIC, they are more of a special ability than an attack form.
To keep that clear, and since it's always 30cm, I believe a unit having markerlights should just have it listed in its "Notes:", just like other non-suppressable abilities like "leader" or "skimmer"; it's a special effect the unit has on the battlefield.
Now, from a realistic/plausibilty standpoint, I totally agree that they should be suppressable, hard to line up the laser pointer when your face is in the dirt!
I'll have to get my Tau Codex back from the friend I lent it to and re-read how they're described in there. ?My 40k Tau force has never actually seen a battlefield, I just enjoy painting them, so I'm not totally up on the rules. ?*laugh*
The two Tau vs Tyranid fights brought up a couple other things as well, I'm going to review my notes and try and post some things later this evening... unless the girlfriend has other plans...
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