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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:02 am 
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What do I give back?
I dont think that anyone gives back a lot, but the volume of people giving back a bit, combined with the fact that we dont actually need much from the web, makes it work.

CS, you 'give back' Epicomms! ?:D ?:cool: ?:D ?:cool: ?:laugh:

hear hear.

You have given us this place, where I have met some great an generous people.  My only regret is that I will probably not meet many of them face to face, have a beer with them, check out their collections and maybe even have a game.

Thankyou for EpiComms C/S.  It revitalised Epic for me after a 10 year+ hiatus.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:46 am 
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Hi!

I concurr, Epicomms is a MAJOR thing to "give back".

Thanks!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:04 am 
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Hi Guys,

I wasn't sure I wanted to asnwer the question, but I'll join in with the gang. I don't know about the self discovery voyage thing. I tend to be a little simpler than that. I feel or know things on a gut level very often and go with it. I know that I'm very capable of overthinking problems so I try to avoid self discovery about things that I already feel certain about. I know I like and enjoy the miniatures and gaming hobbies. Self discovery is about morality and ethics in my book.

Why do I game?
To a certain degree, like Cybershadow, gaming is escapism for me. Like Cybershadow, I have always been a huge fan of fiction novels and particularly science fiction. That same enthusiasm for fiction novels led me to gaming. Unlike Cybershadow, I'd already been gaming for more than a decade when I discovered Gw in 1989, so GW doesn't represent gaming for me.

To a larger degree, gaming is a social activity for me. I game to interact with other people outside of my job, my temple and my usual comunities. Gaming is a community that I choose and not one that I'm required to be a part of. It is simply fun and there are not too many things in life that are simply fun. Msot things seem to be about work (making a living) or about responsibility.

Do I game or just collect?
I am most definitely a collector with the proviso that I'm a collector that likes to use the collection. I couldn't stand owning a collection if I couldn't use it like people that collect baseball cards or comic books and never open the... they have to stay hermetically sealed ina ?plastic bag because they would be devalued if an actual human being touched them. For me, part of the joy of owning the collection is seeing the collection getting used and serving its purpose (to have a good time).

Like others, I enjoy the ?tactical and strategic challenges of gaming as well as getting caught up in the fantasy of a game's background. Much like Cybershadow, I really don't need more miniatures, but I like to have them because it give more battlefield possibilities and adds another small piece to the big picture of the fictional setting. My goal as collector is to collect one of each faction in a game rather than one of each piece.

In the case of Epic, I am collecting one of each faction except for chaos.

Why do I collect?
I collect to play out all of the possibilities for a game. With computer games, I love to go back and try out all of the sides or character possibilities. My gaming is the same way; I want to go back and try out all of the factions.

What would my collection be worth on E-bay?

The thing about Epic is that it's worth quite a bit to a collector, but very little to someone who is not a collector... or at least a hoarder. On a good day, I guestimate that I could get several thousand US dollars for my collection... especially if I sold it in lots. If I tried to sell it in one go, it would be too much for most bidders.

I feel pretty well assured that the painted parts of my Epic collection (Huge Eldar army, Space Wolf SM army, Blood Angel SM army, Ultramarine SM army, Squat army, three different IG armies, Space Skaven army, Necron army, three different Ork armies, etc.) would all sell well because they are painted. Unpainted lead doesn't sell well unless it's very rare and desirable.

My non-Epic collections probably wouldn't sell well. Microarmor has been out of vogue for some time. My micro-aircraft might sell well though. I've seen some of that stuff go for very good prices. Micro-fantasy doesn't do well nor most other micro-historicals.

What do I get out of all this?
Like Cybershadow, I enjoy the discussions a lot and accordingly the thrill of designing a new force with a well-written background really rings my bell.

There is also a wonderful thrill when you have crafted an army and finished painting most it when you see it altogether. Most others appreciate these moments too. I've gotten many compliments on my various Epic armies.

Msotly, it's an engaging hobby and is there to distract me when I need it and to keep my imagination going when I need hope and imagination.

What am I doing on the Internet?
I find that the more specialist one's taste, the harder it is to find like-minded folks. Epic is a pretty specific hobby niche. Wihtout Tuffskull's original pages, the old majordomo lists and eventually Epicomms, I would never have met so many fine folks.

I've become a virtual expert at running Yahoo E-groups following this specialty. I've founded or helped people to found close to twenty E-groups by now, all but one or two becoming very successful popular groups. I think of the Internet primarily as a vehicle to enhance my enjoyment of the hobby and get like-minded folks together.

What do I want from the Internet?
Being part of the Specialist Games E-A team, I see great potential in using Internet chat groups as playtest groups for games. They give a much wider audience and can bring a much more varied audience of playtesters together. One or two local playtest groups just don't compare well to the international market that exists today.

Mostly, the Internet gives me access to people I like everyday instead of a once-a-week or even, Lord forbid,  once-a-month gaming night.

What do I give back?
I've always been a contributor in one manner or another. I've written articles, participated in contests, shared photos when I had them, moderated, been an army champion and otherwise been a contributing part of the Epic community whether it was in Tuffskull's day, the majordomo day or even today while we have Epicomms.

Do I need games?
The simple answer is no. I could live without them, but why?

I really enjoy the games and they do no harm. So in a less existential way, hell yes, I need the games! They greatly increase the quality of my life and I've met some great people through gaming.

Epic, much more so than other games I enjoy, has brought together a large community of friendly folks. Like Tas, I'm also a SJG OGRE fan, but that community has never ever approached the size of the Epic one and I belong to the San Francisco Bay OGRE gamers group, the largest one in the world! Battletech has never had a community so tight and neither have microarmor or micro-aircraft games. The Epic community is large one and I really enjoy the great diversity of personalities we have.

So, in a much larger sense, I do need the games.

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:39 am 
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Q: Why Do I Game?

A: War Gaming is the only complete hobby I know of. You must be able to paint, fabricate, and modify, to create a complete visual experience. Then you must learn rules, strategy, and tactics, and in the process you learn about the great men of history (Even if you are playing Epic-A you study the greats like Alexander, Ceaser,  Napoleon, Guderian, Patton, Fredrick, etc...). Then you get to compete against another human opponent without having to worry about having to retire because of busted up knees, bad backs, etc....

As I enjoy the relaxation of painting, scratch building, and studying history, War Gaming really fits that bill. Also I have been doing it since I was eight or nine, I think, with my father, whom also enjoys War Games (mostly navals though), so he truth is I really do not know what I would do without it, as I have been doing it for so long.

The competition level is second only, for me, to actual out on the turf sports, heads up team vs team (Not bowling, golf, tennis but football, soccer, volleyball)

Also some of my best friends were met over gaming tables, I cannot think of a better group of individuals then War Gamers.

Q: Do I Game or Just Collect?

A: To me they are one and the same, you cannot game if you don't collect, and why collect if you are not going to game? So I collect what I need to play interesting games, and be able to orgainize campaigns and have no shortages of minis for it.

Q: Why Do I Collect?

A: War Games played with counters can be interesting, and even enjoyable, but cannot compare to setting up painted minis, amidst visually pleasing terrain, upon a well surfaced table. So as above, I collect so I can play.

Q: What Would Be My Collections Worth On E-Bay

A: To me, almost priceless. The priceless things in my life are in this order of priority; Wife, Kids, Job, War Games. I would sacrifice the bottom two for the top two on the list, so the collections are almost priceless. (This list is sorta like the "Household Chain Of Command" list on my refrigirator, which goes Mom, Papa, Cockatiels, Kids)

Q: What Do I Get Out Of All Of This

A: A way to get away from the real world. In these games I can go places I'll never really get to go to (or don't really exist), get to do things I'll never get to do (lead armies as a general, and succeed where others have failed like win the campaign of Waterloo as the French. This is also the reason squad level games do not thrill me), and take risks that would never be attempted in the real world. All of this allows me to have fun, with no possible harm being done to a single soul. As I have the fortunate luck of being able to play these games not only with good friends, but also all my family, it is even a bigger bonus (And yes this includes my wife, fierce Bretonnian commander that she is).

Q: What Am I Doing Out On The Net?

A: Meeting some damn fine people, that share the same interests as me. Just wish I could get them all together in one place for some gaming, I know we would have one great time.

Q: What Do I Want From The Net

A: To share ideas, thoughts, and views on War Games.

Q: What Do I Give Back?

A: I like to believe that I am helping others to enjoy their chosen hobby even more.

Q: Do I Need Games?

A: No, for a short time, compared to my present age at least, I didn't game at all. Between school, work, and family I didn't have enough time. Then for a while, after finishing school, I tried to become proficient in more demanding sports attempting to reach a professional level, but while the mind was willing the body wasn't up to the task. I survived without them through that period, but came back as much for the competition as to get back together with some real good friends.

Q: My Two Cents

A: In very many ways I feel very sorry for those among us whom take the games far too seriously, because the games themselves offer so much enjoyment if you don't. I have judged more tournaments then I have played in, and am so disappointed when I encounter an individual whom is acting as if the game they are playing is a true 'life and death struggle'. I attempt to point out to them that the game is a thing to be enjoyed, not to be fretted over, and that once you do that you'll be able to make audacious moves, and if it fails laugh about the result. Heck if the dice are falling badly give the minis a good tounge lashing to pull em back in line, all in fun of course, or tell them how important it is that they make a determined effort in this next assault (before you roll the dice).

These kinds of players can be saved, and do not ruin the game for those that are around them.

On the other hand, you have the "Experts" and the "Lawyers", both of which IMHO are unsalvageable as gamers go, and ruin the game too much for others involved. At tournaments these individuals learn to really dislike me as I refuse to allow them to dominate, in word or action, their opponents or the orgainizers of the event.

At one event an orgainizer once said to me that I should really take it easy on so-and-so or he'll never come back for the next tournament. My reply was "If I allow him to continue to dominate the event, and the players, just how many other players will be missing at the next event because of him? I'd rather lose him then even a single one of the good decent players in the building right now. That individual drives people away from the hobby, the decent ones bring more in." The orgainizer let me have the leash to run with, and next event the participants had grown by 20%, and 'so-and-so' was missing.

Sometimes it is so glaringly obvious when an "Expert" or "Lawyer" is at work trying to bend and twist the game to fit the situation they want, that it is hard not to just jump right down their throats. Then when I rule against their argument (well 99% of the time at least), they attempt to continue the discussion, which gets a quick, "You have one of two choices at this moment; (1) Live with my ruling and get on with the game; (2) Forfiet the Battle, which is it?" They most often pick #1.

So the lesson behind all of this ramble is, definitely play within the spirit of good stiff competition and try to win, but never to it to the point that you loose focus on the real reason we play these games, which is to have fun. I would rather lose a battle and have a real good time, then win a battle and not enjoy the occasion at all.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:38 pm 
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Hard not to agree with all your points, Jaldon ... you read my mind ! :D  (internet Vulcan Mind Meld  :o !) :;):

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I would rather lose a battle and have a real good time, then win a battle and not enjoy the occasion at all.


Couldn't agree with you more, Jaldon. :cool:

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 9:21 pm 
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Hi!

You have a lot of patience dealing with people in tournamanets Jaldon, kudos to you!

Me, I tried it once. I have never wanted to do it again..... :;):

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Just read through some of the answers you guys posted. Wow, some deep stuff in there.

Me, I game for the social aspect of it and I collect for the fun of it.

If it is no longer fun, it is no longer worth doing. That is my way of thinking in a nut shell. :cool:

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:32 pm 
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Hi!

Yes, fun has a lot to do with it, but sometimes I think I still "collect" out of habit... :;): :)

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