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dafrca	Post subject: WIP v2 Platest Results - Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:34 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 6:02 pm Posts: 10956 Location: Burbank, CA, USA	Tactica Said: If you know I'm taking half of my 5000 point army in titans, I'm sure you are going to go nuts in MW and TK weapons, its effect is elimination of metagame. Just to be clear about one other thing. Jervis has always been clear that the list we are doing for ?official? release MUST be tournament lists. As MW and TK units are costly and in most armies, have other weaknesses, if you think that a maxed out Titan Killer army could win you the tournament, we then go for it, but if you want to have a chance of winning a tournament, you need to think about both the Titan Heavy AMTL list and the swarm Tyranid list. In other words, you can not and should not plan your army for a one army game. Now, to be fair to Tactica, it is harder when you only play games with your two or three friends, but we can not, and I believe Jervis would not allow us, to make a list with those friendly games as the focus. The tournament is the focus and that in and of itself adds a level of sanity for those who wish to have a chance of winning overall. Last statement, I too want to add my voice to those who do not understand why someone would want to play an AMTL and not have 50%+ in Titans. Why not play IG or SM and just go Titan Heavy if all you want are a few Titans? dafrca _________________ "Every Man is a But Spark in the Darkness"               - Cities of Death, page 59 Come fight me, if you dare...... http://dd-janks.mybrute.com

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Post subject: WIP v2 Platest Results - Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 9:06 pm

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I don't know about the rest of you, but in my IG, chaos, Marine, Ork, and tau games - I never take all 33% in titans. I don't know if I ever will even - but should I dare, I can safely say it will not be my norm. If I'm going to a tournament - I most definitely do not max out my titan allotment in the aforementioned armies, nor do I ever forsee a tourny where I'll do so. I personally like planes too much and I typically go light on titans - if they are played at all - and planes are usually more favored in my lists by comparison. I also enjoy maximizing my ground effectiveness and take more units. That said, perhaps you folks do indeed max out your tourny army's with max titan allotments of 33% titans when playing your various lists. Well, more power to you. That style of play is foriegn to me if you are going for the win. For those of you that made sweeping comments like, Hey, if you want to run the Adeptus Mechanicus Titan Legion, you're going to have to take some titans I agree the lists name says it all. Adeptus Mechanicus Titan Legions

Why not play IG or SM and just go Titan Heavy if all you want are a few Titans?

Sorry if that sounds harsh but I can't see why people are surprised that a Titans army list has to field a lot of Titans...

Let's just clear this up now - If AMTL was mandatory XX% titans MINIMUM, it would still mean AMTL is going to be taking Titans. The 'mandatory minimum XX%' would take care of that worry. So I forgive any of you whom which erroneously assumed I didn't think AMTL should have an ample amount of titans in it.

To reiterate, I most certainly do think AMTL should have titans in the list. Any amount of mandatory titan requirement should reassure those of you in doubt of my intentions.

My suggested 33% minimum - means I'll always have at least as many as any other list, and by sheer design of the army, I should always have MORE than any other army as the chances of my calculating my titan choices to work out exactly at the 33% marker are slim.

So back to my original point, AMTL limits the effectiveness of the list at 50% mandatory titans. That does not mean I'm suggesting we have less titans than any other army out there, just that more flexability would be convenient.

Perhaps if we had the ability to require 50% in titan formations, but allowed other models to join the formations - such as knights... like they do in the OGM list. We could have formations that were larger, and counted towards the 50% minimum, but didn't break as easy when coming under fire and could have other models available in the formation besides titans alone that were also WE's.

My goal here is to add more flexability in army construction and more effective units (and formations of units) to the AMTL list. A reduction in required titan allotment would work to achieve this while still allowing AMTL to field more titans than anyone else and still forcing them to field more titans than anyone else. An upgrade to a titan formation that put more units on the field would also work to achieve this goal, but in this mode, I would keep the 50% restriction, but make sure the entire formation counted towards the minimum requirement - i.e. "50% points spent in titan formations", not just "titans."

Hopefully I've cleared up my perspective and suggestion for those that originally were misunderstanding my intentions.